May 29 2021 09:12 AM
There are discussions about sitting for an exam or certification and in some cases, having certification is the requirement to get hired to a company. However , there are following arguments:
1) Certification does not proves you are an expert
2) There is no guarantee not having certification meaning you are not an expert
3) During exam, you might get lucky and see all questions you know or be unlucky and see questions you don't know.
4) Industry experience shows having or not having certification doesn't proves anything
Therefore, I believe the certification shouldn't be requirement for an hiring process and instead we need to focus on knowledge and expertise with other means and getting certified should be placed as an option.
May 29 2021 12:20 PM
May 30 2021 09:03 AM
Thank you @Schnittlauch for your post.
I believe certification could be one option in advancing career but it should be mandatory.
Let say, I don't like positions stating you must have a ... certificate.
I know several IT Professionals who are great in what they are doing but because they have been busy, they never sit for a certificate.
Jul 08 2021 03:42 PM
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Mar 03 2022 12:43 PM
Mar 04 2022 07:48 AM
Mar 04 2022 12:33 PM
@Reza_Ameri I absolutely agree. I think companies place too much emphasis on certification.
Mar 05 2022 07:33 AM
Mar 05 2022 01:19 PM
But @Reza_Ameri, you are a bit biased, since that's what you do. For those of us in the world, taking the exam is an important part of proving your technical knowledge of a product that the company who created the product, knows you need to know to master it to a certain level. Companies require certifications before a person is hired to work on a Microsoft product or platform, or before they can be promoted. Certifications are a tried and true measure of investment and intent of the person taking the exam. If the person needs a confidence boost, to overcome imposter syndrome, there's nothing like passing an exam in their field or focus of study. Exams have a value beyond answering questions correctly in a forum. Any forum. Exam takers don't just "sit a few hours to take the exam." They invest weeks of class taking and study, buying resources like practice exams and study material. They spend hours on labs alone. It is almost insulting that you brush off the investment they make to get to those few hours they spend taking the exam. It's as if you are trying to swing the pendulum towards your favorite technical community investment, what you have done in a specific forum., at the expense of the usefulness of technical exams. Don't get me wrong, helping others in the community is a good thing. Although most of us don't do it to get recognition or use it to get a job. They both are good ways to show your knowledge in what you have done. It can be a silo of your experience, and not as broad as the whole product itself. It can also be a cult of personality, and the person can give an incomplete or wrong answer, then be marked as a solution just to close the thread. I don't think you should hate on exams. They are used, especially by big companies, as a good earmark concerning a person's willingness to pass or fail to prove their technical knowledge in a formal setting.
Mar 06 2022 07:16 AM
Mar 06 2022 03:22 PM
@Reza_Ameri You are comparing apples to oranges, and saying that one must be destroyed because it isn't the same as the other. I can prove that a lot of responses in forums are wrong, or incomplete. Not everyone there who posts is competent. Some are just doing it to fill a profile with posts, any posts. And often they can get into a position of marking their posts correct, even if they aren't. No, forums are a good place to look to see if anyone else has the same problem, but it never guarantees a solution.
Forums are not a perfect place to find experts. Nor is public speaking. I have been a public speaker for decades. I was a MVP, and spoke at big conferences around the world. I was a proven expert, but many, many speakers (and some MVPs) are not experts either. I have known presenters who only knew exactly what was in the slides for an hour long session, and no more. I even knew of someone who watched someone else's youtube video, and just basically copied it in their own words, and presented it at an event. There are very, very rarely (as in never) qualifiers to speaking except applying, having spoken elsewhere, or having someone vouch for you. None of these guarantee the person is good or knowledgeable (the vouching helps, because it hurts the voucher's standing if the vouchee actually sucks)
Certifications are a way to measure someone's intent to invest in learning the, potentially grueling, details about a product. To master it enough to pass a certain level of exam. Yes, it doesn't not in itself replace the need for real world experience. Absolutely. But it's apples and oranges here, they are not the same. Answering questions in a forum is not the same as taking an exam. Neither is perfect. But if a person is challenged by a proven track record of *actually* giving the correct answer in forums, *and* taking the risk of speaking publicly, *and* passing the exams, then you know they probably know their stuff. But to invalidate exams because there are forums, is not reasonable. It's as if you're saying, I prefer forums, so get rid of exams. They all have their purpose.
Mar 07 2022 07:14 AM
Mar 07 2022 08:20 AM
May 26 2022 10:18 AM - edited May 26 2022 10:38 AM
1) Certification does not show expertise, but it shows knowledge of the basics.
2) I would agree with the premise that certification, or lack thereof, does not show whether or not a person is an expert.
3) Exams are always a roll of the dice. Study everything to learn the material, not just to learn the test.
4) Industry experience is key, but if two people have the same experience and one earned a certification, the certified person usually gets the job. It shows they took the extra step. Some companies also need a number of people certified in different roles and that comes into play during hiring.
I was recruited when I started looking for work in the Seattle area and had set up some informational interviews. My degrees and work experience allowed me to land the job without a formal certification in the IT field. My personal goal is to get a certification this year as it helps in marketing the company I work for and if I ever leave here, I will also be more marketable.
Please understand that hiring people is hard. Being a person who has been on the hiring side, anything that helps me see the skill level of the person I am hiring helps. (Confession: I don't read cover letters unless the resume shows they can do the job and then only if I have already selected them for an interview or I need to thin out the top applicants.)
May 27 2022 08:17 AM
Oct 14 2022 10:02 AM
1) No demuestra que es un experto, pero si una gran aproximación a ello. Por la garantía y confianza que da el haberse certificado. También queda demostrado que solo la preparación profesional no es suficiente, regularmente so egresan como técnicos generalistas, siempre hará falta la certificación, inclusive a falta de experiencia. gracias
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