08-31-2019 08:56 AM
08-31-2019 08:56 AM
Edge says "Press F11 to exit fullscreen" when I don't have a keyboard attached. I read in fullscreen a lot without a keyboard. Please make the little popup tell us how to actually exit fullscreen when a keyboard isn't attached - I always just sort of flail around doing random things until the little X appears.
Also, in old Edge swiping down while in full screen showed the app chrome (address bar, tabs, etc) without exiting full screen. That was an awesome feature. Please bring that back. I am constantly entering and exit full screen to switch tabs and stuff.
09-02-2019 09:03 AM
Hi @adamrdrew, I find that if I tap and hold near the top of the screen, the 'X' button pops up and I can exit full-screen mode. I agree that this is hard to discover, though (and may not be the intended way, just the way I get it to show). I will talk with the developers and see if there is a way to discern if a keyboard is attached, or if the device supports touch, and change the string. Thanks - Elliot
11-07-2019 05:38 AM
Thanks for this! It does at least make Edge Chromium Full screen usable in tablet mode, but only just.
As far as I can see it is still not possible to expose the task bar by swiping up from the bottom, and of course the full functionality of swiping down from the top to switch tabs or exit full screen is sorely missed.
I use Edge for reading on multiple surface devices including a Surface Go. On that device full screen is indispensable due to the small screen size so I'm still using the original version of Edge unless I encounter a compatibility issue. But at least I no longer have to use Chrome. :)
Please prioritize feature parity with the old Edge. I'm kind of shocked to read that Edge Chromium is going GA soon without some critical feature of the original Edge.
11-07-2019 05:49 AM
I totlly agree with you@stevecu. Classic Edge features and the awesome support for touch and how smooth touch controlling was made it so unique.
11-07-2019 06:37 AM
Releasing the new browser without having at least 95% of Edge classics feature and GUI is a major misstake on the scale of Vista and Windows (M)issed (E)dition.
1. Users will test it and see that it simply doesn't work for them. That establishes the "fact" that the browser is even worse than Edge and IE
2. Enterprises will not deploy it until it actually works. Since you are killing of IE and Edge it means they will have to roll out something that works, AKA Chrome.
3. IF the GUI isn't featurecomplete at release all gudielines, videos, helpdesk instructions and so on will have to be redone for every release you actuallly do fix something that should have been there from the first day. Thats wery expensive and the gain for the enterprises is exactly Zero compared to remain on edge classic or Chrome
4. We as powerusers gets feed up by a company that promises to listen and then Completly refuses to do that. We will then simply tell everyone that asks that No - so far it's not worth spending your time on the new edge
To summarize, there are about no gain for any group to upgrade. There are downsides of missing features (that has been requested for six months now), costs and change management
For MS there is a major risk that it will be "known" as another Failed browser that doesn't work and an even lover marketshare,
In my Eyes MS needs at least 6 more months and a focus on porting 100% of Edge HTML Gui and Features. When that is done and proven stable - it can be released and work on a feature enhanced version can start
11-15-2019 12:39 PM
11-15-2019 01:15 PM
@HotCakeX Thanks. I responded in greater depth on the discussion but this is unfortunately not complete and doesn't fulfill my request. The core of my request was better support on touchscreen devices. This isn't that. This seems like a good step, but it is only good on mouse and keyboard. When I detach my keyboard it is actually even more confusing! I now have to click a menu item that says "Press F11 to exit" though there is no F11.
If I can be of any help please let me know. Getting little stuff like this right is really important to me. I don't need an iPad using relative pointing out that the browser on my Surface can't even do fullscreen right.
<3 Thanks for your hard work.
11-15-2019 01:27 PM
11-15-2019 01:30 PM
@HotCakeX Awesome, thanks again. I really, really appreciate you guys taking the feedback and working on it. You are all doing a great job.
It sounds like you know what I am talking about but just in case I've been unclear at all (text can be ambiguous when dealing with UI stuff) I made a quick video to try and show what I mean. Even if it isn't helpful you can at least get a laugh out of me trying to use a computer with one hand and a phone with another. https://1drv.ms/v/s!Ans0By3xg-0wmZkY4b-cM1VNsM_x3g?e=dxz2XP
Thanks again. Have a great weekend.
11-15-2019 01:34 PM
11-15-2019 05:05 PM
Thanks for the clarifying video @adamrdrew . Looks like I'll be stuck using 2 browsers for the foreseeable future. This does not look encouraging at all.
Now I'm worrying, will the real Edge browser continue to be supported after the Edge Chromium is "released"...?
As it stands Edge Chromium is a good replacement for Chrome, but not a substitute for Edge.
You'd think the makers of the Surface line would take this more seriously.
11-15-2019 08:27 PM
Unfortunately, the new Edge will be replacing the classic Edge once the official version of Chromium Edge is released. I don't know how to feel about that. I just hope that we will have the option to download classic Edge by itself from the Microsoft Store, at least until they have all its features moved to the new Edge.
11-16-2019 07:39 AM
I find this very disturbing, as it seems obvious that MS are planning the release of Edge Chromium without some of the critical features of real Edge (I with the would have chosen a different name).
As much as I appreciate what they've accomplished in a short time with chromium (I've uninstalled chrome from my Surface), it is in no way ready to replace the current version of Edge - especially on Surface.
Microsoft can be so brilliant ... and so dumb.
11-16-2019 07:58 AM
11-17-2019 09:29 AM
I'm a pretty casual user, so I haven't researched this exhaustively. I agree with you that there is no indication that Microsoft is going to suddenly force everyone to switch over, or that Edge will be pulled in favor of Edge (isn't it nice that they both have the same name).
However, when I got my "Welcome Back" page after updating to the latest stable build (79.0.309.18) it said that this is the build that the GA release will be based on. I take that to meant that it is feature complete and will only get stability improvements between now and GA.
As a Surface user, I find this disturbing. I've been looking to Edge Chromium as the single browser that will replace both Chrome and Edge on my Surface devices. I have to use two browsers; one for reading / and general surfing (Edge) and another (that does not work well in tablet mode) for all the web apps I need for work which are not compatible with Edge.
Edge Chromium looks like a great alternative to Chrome, but it is not even close to being an alternative to Edge. I fear we end up in a similar place to where we are with OneNote 2016 v. OneNote UWP (another pair of apps that require gymnastics to distinguish by name).
They released OneNote UWP with a subset of the features of OneNote 2016 and then declared OneNote 2016 more or less dead - without substantial feature parity.
It would be nice if they would at least declare their intentions.
11-17-2019 09:40 AM
12-15-2019 05:36 AM
@adamrdrew It's very gratifying to see how much progress has been made on this issue.
Thanks for starting this thread.
02-01-2020 07:49 AM
02-01-2020 02:26 PM
Progress? What progress? I only hope "Real Edge" continues to get updates.
I've been looking at replacing my aging Surface Book with a Surface Pro X. After seeing virtually no progress making "Edge Chromium" Surface friendly I'm seriously considering whether an iPad Pro might be a smarter choice.
I don't mean to rant, but I do feel somewhat abandoned.
Looks like there are some confusions here, Ipad and Surface are devices, Edge and Safari are browsers.
02-03-2020 03:19 AM
Thanks for your reply @HotCakeX
Your suggestion is what I've been doing for the last few months.
To be clear what my concern is that Microsoft is NOT showing any love for customers, like myself, who have sent quite a lot of money to Microsoft in the form of purchasing premium hybrid devices. The browser is an integral feature of those devices and Microsoft has more or less abandoned the only browser "Real Edge" that fully supports these devices.
Now that they're no longer improving "Real Edge" (which needs compatibility improvements). The features that made Edge so great on Surface should be at the top of the list when prioritizing work on "New Edge" (and seriously, what's up with all this name recycling? first onenote, now this).
And let's be clear the issues with touch and swipe gestures where raised months ago and have gotten near zero attention while features are being added constantly.
Feeling lack of support from Microsoft, I'm sure I'm not alone in contemplating whether I might get a better long term experience from another vendor. Apple probably does not address my needs , but I have delayed the purchase of a new device because of this.
02-03-2020 04:46 AM - edited 02-03-2020 04:47 AM
well if you or me or anyone else buys something, it's not because we love a company, it's because we NEED that device or software so we go on and pay for it. you could pirate a software too but then you will have to deal with its legal aspects.
so I think in business and personal needs, "love" is irrelevant.
I don't love Apple as a company for various reasons, neither do I love Google, but sometimes I NEED and HAVE TO use their services/products and I am FORCED to pay money for it, because If i don't, I will be a criminal. simple as that.
I don't think anyone loves to pay money to a company, specially the big multinational companies, I think what everyone loves to do is to get things for free.
Also there is no "real Edge", Microsoft Edge browser got replaced and this is the new one based on Chromium, both of them are real and official.
02-03-2020 11:48 AM
I think you may have misunderstood my use of the term "love".
I don't love Microsoft, and I don't love Apple.
I prefer using Microsoft products over some other companies because; I think they are better products (both software and hardware) than most of the alternative (especially the Surface line), Microsoft is less evil than some other companies (who make money buy selling information gathered through "free" services), Microsoft products are generally a better value than say Apple.
What I meant was that as a customer who has purchased expensive hardware from Microsoft "I'm not feeling the love" when they arbitrarily replace the the browser experience on that device with one that works less well.
I'm well aware that I can continue to use the original browser and I do. But part of the equation with Surface and Edge was that while it was imperfect, it would continue to improve over time. Now it won't.
I don't argue with their decision to change the rendering engine to achieve compatibility. What I disagree with is their decision to drop development of what they want me to now call "Legacy Edge" before "New Edge" achieved essential feature parity with it. From where I sit they aren't even working on it. It's very frustrating.
I use new Edge as a replacement for Chrome, because I'm uncomfortable with google in general, but I have to use some web apps for work that don't work with Legacy Edge.
I'm waiting for the singularity - when I can stop having 2 browsers installed, without losing essential functionality.
I'm not sure how piracy enters into the conversation.
I appreciate your comments, and assistance in bringing some visibility to this issue. It's an important issue, and one that is under-discussed I guess because a lot of Surface users are under-using there devices or have not yet installed the new Edge.
02-03-2020 12:08 PM
02-03-2020 01:31 PM
Never said anything like it's wiped from the face of the earth.
I will say this - It has been orphaned. You've said it yourself (I think) - it's not getting any more updates.
I consume a lot of text based media on my surface, and I like to do that full screen. I see no indication that this is being worked on in the chromium version. They added the bit where you can long press near the top to get out of full screen, which makes it barely usable.
I should not have to use 2 different browsers. If they are no longer developing Edge Legacy, they should be prioritizing feature parity on their own hardware. I've seen no mention of this issue since November, other than this thread.
It sounds as if you think my frustration is unjustified.
02-03-2020 02:25 PM