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BLOG: Determine and modernize Filesystem Deduplication
Version history - 1.6 Added references / links - 1.5 Added insights from Steven Ekren. Many thanks! / Added ReFS Docs link and added clarification about drawbacks. - 1.4 revised script so ReFS volumes with classic dedup will be identified, added more eligibly checks and error handling - 1.3 added point #4 in migration guidance - 1.2 revised script - 1.1 formatting This blog explains the two Windows deduplication modes classic Windows Data Deduplication (ReFS or NTFS) and ReFS Deduplication (ReFS). It covers how they differ, why you should consider upgrading to Windows Server 2025 to leverage the new ReFS dedup engine, and clear warnings about scenarios where ReFS is not recommended. Practical migration guidance and detection commands are included. Differences between classic dedup and ReFS dedup File system: Classic dedup runs on NTFS or ReFS; ReFS dedup runs on ReFS and Windows Server 2025 or later, only. Implementation: They are separate engines with different metadata formats and management cmdlets. Management: Classic dedup uses the Dedup PowerShell module (Get‑DedupVolume, Start‑DedupJob, Disable‑DedupVolume). ReFS dedup uses its own ReFS dedup cmdlets (Get‑ReFSDedupStatus, Enable‑ReFSDedup). Conversion: There is no in‑place conversion between the two; metadata and chunk formats are incompatible. Improvements: the new in-line ReFS Deduplication leverages the advantages of ReFS files system. This makes deduplication more efficient and less CPU intensive. The new ReFS Deduplication can also compress data in-line using L1Z algorithm. This makes it up to par with enterprise solutions, often found in SAN storage or Linux appliances. Compression needs to be set per volume, and optional. Edit: Steven Ekren, a former Senior Product Manager for Hyper-V shared valuable insights on how both engines operate in a comment on LinkedIn: [...] the basic conceptual difference between WS Deduplication and ReFS deduplication is that the Windows Server [dedup] version takes the duplicate file data and moves it to a repository and puts a reparse point in the file system from each point that references the data. This involves data movement and therefore not recommended for workloads that are changing it's data often, but best for more static data like documents and picture/videos. ReFS is a file system that uses links natively for all the objects so leaving the data in place and managing the links is much more efficient and doesn't involve the data copy and managing a repository. Effectively it's built into the file system. As the blog notes, there are some situations not recommended for this version of dedupe, but generally it's lower performance and storage I/O impact. Why upgrade to Windows Server 2025 Improved version of ReFS Filesystem Improved ReFS in-line deduplication + optional L1Z compression: Server 2025 includes enhancements to ReFS dedup performance, scalability, and integration with modern storage features. Support and fixes: Windows Server 2016 and 2019 are past mainstream support, increasing the likelihood of costly support cases and delayed fixes; upgrading reduces operational risk and ensures access to ongoing improvements. Future compatibility: Newer OS releases receive optimizations and bug fixes for ReFS and dedup scenarios that older releases will not. SMB compression: for reasonably faster data transfer at minimal CPU when transferring data through the networks. Feature and security related improvements refer to availabile Microsoft Windows Server 2025 Summit content on techcommunity.microsoft.com Scenarios where ReFS is not recommended ReFS on SAN in clustered CSV environments: Avoid placing ReFS dedup on top of SAN‑backed Cluster Shared Volumes (CSVFS) in production clusters; clustered SAN/CSV scenarios causing severe performance issues in practice. Please refer to the ReFS documentation. (personal opinion and experience, not endorsed by Microsoft): Many small, fast‑changing files: Workloads with frequent small writes, such as user profiles, folder redirection of AppData folders, or applications that churn small config files (for example, Lotus Notes config files) can cause locks, performance degradation, or unexpected behavior on ReFS. Exclude these disks from dedup or keep them on NTFS. Note: Restrictions on high churn rate, like lockups or high RAM consumption, deadlocks / BSOD might have been addressed in Windows Server 2025 and the ReFS Dedup, see comment of Steven Ekren. Improving reliability and performance is a top goal for ReFS, to improve the adoption and feature parity with NTFS. For information about feature parity please refer to the ReFS documentation. Migration guidance The following instructions describe a high level and supported migration path from Windows deduplication using the NTFS file system to native ReFS Deduplication. Note: Step #3, data migration is not required when already using ReFS with Data Deduplication. In this case it's enough to execute step #1 and #2. Note: Validate on non‑production data first. Plan for rehydration time and network/storage throughput. Ensure backups are current before starting. Make sure to have a full backup before upgrading Server OS or making changes. 1. Disable classic dedup on the NTFS source: Disable-DedupVolume -Volume YourDriveLetter: 2. Rehydrate (un‑deduplicate) the data: Start-DedupJob -Volume YourDriveLetter: -Type Unoptimization 3. Copy or move data to a ReFS volume (new target): For straightforward NTFS→ReFS copies, robocopy is recommended. A GUI and job based alternative to this is the File Server Migration Feature (uses robocopy) in Windows Admin Center. For complex scenarios, open files long path names very large datasets (< 5 TB) or many small files restructuring, GUI (including Windows Server Core) automation, improved logging cloud/hybrid migrations I recommend the usage of GS RichCopy Enterprise by GuruSquad for higher speed (up to 40%) and reliability, compared to robocopy. 4. Optionally remove the Windows Server feature When there is no old deduplication in use consider to remove the feature. Your advantages of doing so: removes an unneccessary service. removes the file system filter driver for dedup, which causes performance impacts, even when not in use. removes the PowerShell commandlets for the old dedup, so they cannot mistakenly used by existing scripts, unaware admins etc. When migrating files over network: SMB compression: consider both source and target run Windows Server 2025 and leverage SMB compression. SMB Compression is available in Microsoft xcopy, Microsoft robocopy and Gurusquad GScopy Enterprise. Balancing and Teaming with SMB: SMB does not require LFBO or SET Teaming. It automagically detects network links and actively balances on its own on Windows Server 2016 and later. Using teaming, depending the configuration, can negatively affect transfer speed. Quick detection and diagnostic commands Check file systems: Get-Volume | Select DriveLetter, FileSystem Check classic dedup feature: Get-WindowsFeature -Name FS-Data-Deduplication Get-DedupVolume Get-DedupStatus Check ReFS dedup: Get-Command -Module Microsoft.ReFsDedup.Commands Get-ReFSDedupStatus -Volume YourDriveLetter: Diagnostic script to detect both: <# .SYNOPSIS Detects classic NTFS Data Deduplication and ReFS Deduplication across local volumes. .DESCRIPTION - Reports NTFS volumes with classic Data Dedup enabled. - Lists ReFS volumes present on the host. - If the ReFS dedup cmdlet exists AND OS build >= 26100, checks ReFS dedup status per ReFS volume. - Color coding: * Classic dedup enabled → Yellow * Classic dedup not enabled → Cyan * ReFS dedup enabled → Green * ReFS dedup not enabled → Cyan .NOTES Version: 1.7 Author: Karl Wester-Ebbinghaus + Copilot Requirements: Elevated PowerShell session, PowerShell 5.1 or newer Supported OS: Windows Server 2025, Azure Stack HCI 24H2 or newer Unsupported OS: Windows 10, Windows 11 (script terminates) #> #region Initialization Write-Verbose "Initializing variables and environment..." $Volumes = $null $Volume = $null $DedupVolumesList = $null $DedupReFSVolumesList = $null $DedupReFSVolumesListLetters = $null $DedupReFSStatus = $null $refsCmd = $null $OSBuild = $null $runReFSDedupChecks = $null #endregion Initialization #region Volume Discovery Clear-Host Write-Verbose "Querying NTFS and ReFS volumes..." $Volumes = Get-Volume | Where-Object FileSystem -in 'NTFS','ReFS' #endregion Volume Discovery #region ReFS Dedup Cmdlet, OS Build and OS SKU Detection Write-Verbose "Checking for ReFS deduplication cmdlet..." $refsCmd = Get-Command -Name Get-ReFSDedupStatus -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue Write-Verbose "Reading OS build number..." try { $OSBuild = [int](Get-ItemProperty -Path 'HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion' -Name CurrentBuildNumber).CurrentBuildNumber } catch { Write-Verbose "Registry read for OS build failed. Falling back to Environment OSVersion." $OSBuild = [int][Environment]::OSVersion.Version.Build } # end try/catch for OS build detection Write-Verbose "Checking OS InstallationType and EditionID..." $CurrentVersionKey = Get-ItemProperty -Path 'HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion' $InstallationType = $CurrentVersionKey.InstallationType # "Client" or "Server" $EditionID = $CurrentVersionKey.EditionID # e.g. "AzureStackHCI", "ServerStandard", etc. Write-Verbose "Detected InstallationType: $InstallationType" Write-Verbose "Detected EditionID: $EditionID" Write-Verbose "Detected OSBuild: $OSBuild" # Block Windows 10/11 (Client OS) if ($InstallationType -eq 'Client') { Write-Error "Unsupported OS detected: Windows Client (Windows 10/11). Only Windows Server or Azure Stack HCI are supported. Script will terminate." exit } # Allow Azure Stack HCI explicitly if ($EditionID -eq 'AzureStackHCI') { Write-Verbose "Azure Stack HCI detected. Supported platform." } else { # Must be Windows Server if ($InstallationType -ne 'Server') { Write-Error "Unsupported OS detected. Only Windows Server or Azure Stack HCI are supported. Script will terminate." exit } Write-Verbose "Windows Server detected (EditionID: $EditionID). Supported platform." } Write-Verbose "Evaluating ReFS dedup eligibility based on cmdlet presence and build >= 26100..." $runReFSDedupChecks = $false if ($refsCmd -and ($OSBuild -ge 26100)) { $runReFSDedupChecks = $true Write-Verbose "ReFS dedup checks ENABLED (cmdlet present and OS build >= 26100)." } else { Write-Verbose "ReFS dedup checks DISABLED (cmdlet missing or OS build < 26100)." } #endregion ReFS Dedup Cmdlet, OS Build and OS SKU Detection #region Main Loop foreach ($Volume in $Volumes) { # begin foreach volume loop Write-Host "Volume $($Volume.DriveLetter): ($($Volume.FileSystem))" Write-Verbose "Processing volume $($Volume.DriveLetter)..." #region Classic Dedup + ReFS Volume Listing if ($Volume.FileSystem -eq 'NTFS' -or $Volume.FileSystem -eq 'ReFS') { Write-Verbose "Checking classic deduplication status for volume $($Volume.DriveLetter)..." $DedupVolumesList = Get-DedupVolume -Volume $Volume.DriveLetter -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue if ($DedupVolumesList) { Write-Host " → Classic Data Dedup ENABLED on $($Volume.DriveLetter), $($Volume.FileSystem)" -ForegroundColor Yellow } else { Write-Host " → Classic Data Dedup NOT enabled on $($Volume.DriveLetter),$($Volume.FileSystem)" -ForegroundColor Cyan } # end if classic dedup enabled Write-Verbose "Listing ReFS volumes on host..." $DedupReFSVolumesList = Get-Volume | Where-Object FileSystem -eq 'ReFS' if ($DedupReFSVolumesList) { $DedupReFSVolumesListLetters = ($DedupReFSVolumesList | ForEach-Object { $_.DriveLetter }) -join ',' Write-Host " → ReFS volumes present on host: $DedupReFSVolumesListLetters" } else { Write-Host " → No ReFS volumes detected on host" } # end if ReFS volumes present } # end NTFS/ReFS block #endregion Classic Dedup + ReFS Volume Listing #region ReFS Dedup Status if ($Volume.FileSystem -eq 'ReFS') { if ($runReFSDedupChecks) { Write-Verbose "Checking ReFS deduplication status for volume $($Volume.DriveLetter)..." $DedupReFSStatus = Get-ReFSDedupStatus -Volume $Volume.DriveLetter -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue if ($DedupReFSStatus) { Write-Host " → ReFS Dedup ENABLED on $($Volume.DriveLetter), $($Volume.FileSystem)" -ForegroundColor Green } else { Write-Host " → ReFS Dedup NOT enabled on $($Volume.DriveLetter), $($Volume.FileSystem)" -ForegroundColor Cyan } # end if ReFS dedup enabled } else { if (-not $refsCmd) { Write-Error " → Skipping ReFS dedup check: Get-ReFSDedupStatus cmdlet not present" -ForegroundColor Cyan } else { Write-Error " → Skipping ReFS dedup check: OS build $OSBuild < required 26100" -ForegroundColor Cyan } # end reason for skipping ReFS dedup check } # end if runReFSDedupChecks } # end if ReFS filesystem block #endregion ReFS Dedup Status Write-Host "" } # end foreach volume loop #endregion Main Loop #region End Write-Verbose "Script completed." #endregion End Recommendations and next steps Inventory: Identify volumes using NTFS dedup and ReFS dedup, and map workloads that create many small or rapidly changing files. Plan: Schedule rehydration and migration windows; test ReFS dedup on representative datasets. Upgrade: Prioritize upgrading servers still on 2016/2019 (End of Mainstream Support) to reduce support risk and gain the latest ReFS dedup improvements. Kindly consider reading my Windows Server Installation Guidance and Windows Server Upgrade Guidance Exclude: Keep user profiles, AppData, and other high‑churn small‑file paths off ReFS dedup or on NTFS. Consider ReFS Dedup with Compression: Enable compression optionally. Mind ReFS dedup compression is not the same as compress files integration in File Explorer or File Explorer properties (Windows 9x). It's transparent to the application Make smart decisions: Avoid using dedup when the dataset is changing fast or your dedup + compression rate is below 20%. Usually you can expect 40% or more savings, and up to 80% in specific use cases like VDI VHDX with ReFS Dedup + Compression. Plan your dedup jobs: Ensure of making use of the planning features for dedup jobs through PowerShell or Windows Admin Center (WAC) when using ReFS dedup on more than one volume per Server. Otherwise they might all run at the same time and impact your storage performance (esp. spinning rust) and consumption of RAM and CPU. Share and Educate: Inform your infrastructure team about the changes so they avoid using the traditional dedup on ReFS. Related blogposts: https://splitbrain.com/windows-data-deduplication-vs-refs-deduplication/ , Thanks Darryl van der Peijl and team. https://www.veeam.com/kb2023 Veeam best practices about Windows Deduplication and ReFS Deduplication.Re: BLOG: Determine and modernize Filesystem Deduplication
"Map workloads that create many small or rapidly changing files" Q: I have a received the question: How can I identify the workload size and inventory? A: On Windows Server / Windows Server Core I trust using a third-party solution named JAMSoftware TreeSize. Please consider the license terms for business use. You can install Treesize on a management host (privileged access workstation) to remotely access the file systems of different servers. Treesize provides swift reports and diagrams. It provides detailed information on the number of files, sizes, potential space hogs and unexpected archives, as well as parameters such as the last access date and last change. A free version is available through the Winget repository and the Microsoft Store. PS C:\Users\username> winget search treesize Name Id Version Source -------------------------------------------------------- TreeSize Free XP9M26RSCLNT88 Unknown msstore TreeSize XPDDXV3SD1SB5K Unknown msstore TreeSize JAMSoftware.TreeSize 9.6.2 winget TreeSize Free JAMSoftware.TreeSize.Free 4.8.1 winget Of course one can achieve similar via PowerShell, yet I found the GUI output and reports overly helpful.Re: Server 2025 Core ADDS DC, Network Profile Showing as "Public" and not as "DomainAuthenticated"
can anyone confirm this fixed with latest LCUs? I am not seeing this anymore. Thanks for trying and removing your workaround, temporarily, to reassure this. when validating please use the latest ISO or unmodified deployed version (registry etc).Re: In-place upgrade possibility planned for Windows Server 2025 Datacenter Azure Edition ?
+1 on this this is a huge gap, to fill this please consider offering IPU to 2022 Azure Edition via Windows Update. It is technically possible. There is a reason why we do not have ISO images anymore but just marketplace images.Re: vNVMe on Hyper-V to unlock PCIe 5.0 NVMe performance
Hi all, I agree that using VMware NVMe Controller in a VM delivers better performance compared to VMware default SCSI Emulation and I suspect the same would happen to Windows Hyper-V I can even tell this NVMe controller delivers better perf. when using SAN that is not using a single NVMe or SSD but traditional HDD. This might be due to the protocol stack. There are improvements in NVMe storage driver that might not be seen in the SCSI emulation but only the WS Storage and Hyper-V Team could help here. What would be cool but hard to test is a direct comparison of same HW with VMware and Hyper-V Windows Server 2025. Please keep in mind to use the latest Diskmark as this has an updated and optimized diskspd.exe.Windows Admin Center (Modernized Gateway)
Hi everyone, just to avoid confusion. The product of "Windows Admin Center" listed in the Windows Server Insider webpage is obsolete. Please use aka.ms/wacdownload to obtain the latest. There is no public preview at the time of writing. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windowsinsiderpreviewserverRelease of Windows Server 2025 Datacenter Azure Edition
Hi all, I am happy to see there are still Insider versions of Windows Server Datacenter Azure Edition vNext Is there any ETA for a release for the next iteration after 2022? What are the feature benefits that justify Azure Edition "2025" to be ahead of WS 2025 Thank you for your help!Re: Windows 11 Insider Preview 10.0.26200.5516 (ge_release_upr) installing Failure
That is not much todo with AI. Windows 11 is most modular. If you need a very compact version then consider GitHub Tiny11.ps1. You can also upgrade your rig with a larger SSD, they are not expensive. NVMe (via sabrent PCI-E to NVMe Adapter) would be an option but since you have two 980, the PCI-E slots are blocked. Is there a specific reason why using the Insider version? It has more experimental features and eventually debug code.Re: Windows 11 Insider Preview 10.0.26200.5516 (ge_release_upr) installing Failure
Try Windows Key +X > Terminal (Admin) Powercfg -h This disables hibernation and should free up good amount of space. Otherwise in the same Terminal session use winget to search and install treesizeview.free Often it's Apple phone Backups eating up disk space. Using OneDrive? You can setup folders with large rarely used files to be on demand only. Check your OneDrive sync settings and file Explorer settings. Please mark as solution if this helped, otherwise reply and tag me. Usually the 120 GB can serve well enough.
