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Beginning Your OKR Journey with Viva Goals
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Join our AMA with Rich Gibbons, Managing Director at Cloudy with a Chance of Licensing and Michael Plettner, Managing Director at in2success GmbH as they share their experience with starting an OKR journey with Viva Goals within their organizations. Learn how they got buy-in from their leadership teams, tips for deployment based on their experience so far, and benefits they’re seeing at the beginning of their journey.
During this AMA you'll have an opportunity to ask Rich and Michael any questions you have!
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Feel free to post your questions about Viva Goals anytime in the comments below beforehand, if it fits your schedule or time zone better, though questions will not be answered until the live hour.
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- EmilyPerina
Community Manager
That’s a wrap! Thank you for joining our Microsoft Viva Goals AMA: Beginning Your OKR Journey with Viva Goals today! We appreciate all the great questions and hope you learned something new! I'll be locking this event to new questions, but our experts will still be able to respond to any unanswered questions. Stay tuned for more Microsoft Viva Goals news!
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- BrittHarper90Iron ContributorCan you share with us a few ways that Viva Goals has impacted your organization?
- Rich_GibbonsBrass ContributorYou find that people are more bought into the mission and more confident in why they’re doing what they’re doing – that's great for individual satisfaction and the company overall. It also helps leaders ensure they’re focusing on the right things to drive growth and success. It opens up conversations and gives a new way of thinking about things, which we're seeing uncover new ideas and drivers.
- plemichBrass ContributorDue to the transparency, we have created an even more supportive work environment. Everyone can see the different objectives, so they understand the needs of the other people way better and offer support very often. On the other hand, we do have a very clear communication about the personal objectives and KPIs for every individual. This helps every person to follow the agreed KPIs and track the personal progress. This avoids negative surprises at the end of the year or quarter because they forgot something important. Last but not least, from the leadership perspective it’s a way better discussion about vision and how different things impact this vision. That means, we do have better discussions about ideas from our side but also get more ideas from the team to support the vision.
- BrittHarper90Iron ContributorDo you have any practical tips and actions our audience can implement to get a goals program deployed?
- Rich_GibbonsBrass ContributorInvolve the wider team relatively early - I think this is key. Make them part of the process and journey and it will be easier to introduce OKRs and to get continued buy-in for them across the teams. Once you have the corporate Objectives set, introduce the OKR concept to people. Run a workshop and give them resources to learn and familiarise themselves with OKRs. Don’t let perfect get in the way of good - expect the first iterations to need work as you go...but get started!
- plemichBrass ContributorSure, be transparent when you start your journey. OKRs is nothing you “develop” on a leadership meeting and set this up for a company in a short period of time. When the leadership decides to use OKRs, they must think about the different levels of impact in the organization as well. Creating the company objectives is easy, this is something you’ve done multiple times as a leader but describing the path to very person or vice versa: how every person can support these objectives, is nothing the leadership is able to do as well. Keep your people involved, explain the ideas behind that, create a path of user adoption by explaining the ideas behind OKRs, the differences between objectives and KPIs, the different levels of impact but the most important part is: don’t start with the tool! – Yes, I like Viva Goals but this is not point to start with, this is a tool you can learn but OKRs is a mentality you have to life.
- BrittHarper90Iron ContributorHow do you create that lightbulb moment for folks in your organization with OKRs?
- Rich_GibbonsBrass Contributor
As you’re working through the OKR process and they see that OKRs will give them more focus and a clearer view of how their efforts help to drive the business forward, people start to see the benefits. For some people it's about an increased opportunity for visibility and recognition with the company while others derive more value from a better understanding of how they help make the company a success.
Also, the fact they can be used to help prevent people being given work that’s outside their area can be really attractive – being able to look at the task and see if it lines up to the OKRs is a powerful tool. You need to have an environment where people are empowered to say “This doesn’t align to my OKRs – is there someone else who is better suited to this?” to get the full benefit as well. - plemichBrass Contributor
The main benefit for me as a leader is the visualization of the whole vision and the connection from every personal KPI to these goals. That helps our people in the organization to understand why this is necessary to do, even if it’s not clear in the first place. Due to the helping mentality in our organization and the transparency of team and company KPIs / objectives, we had multiple situations where people working on completely different topics are very supportive because they have some additional experience in these topics – something like technical support.
By not only recognizing this by the leaders but also talking about these positive experiences, it helps the user to motivate working together – also for “other” objectives.
- BrittHarper90Iron ContributorAs a leader how do you rally your teams behind OKRs to get buy-in as something that will benefit them and benefit the organization?
- Rich_GibbonsBrass Contributor
For me, you have to make sure they understand the purpose behind them and how it can benefit not just the organisation but them as an individual too. If they see it as just another thing to do or perhaps feel that it’s micro-managing, you’re off to a bad start! Equally, you need to show how they differ from KPIs and how OKRs give you the “why” behind what you’re doing.
For most individuals, they prefer to spend their time doing things and achieving results rather than talking about achieving results. Explaining the concept of OKRs and focusing on alignment and reducing confusion/uncertainty is a good starting point, and then working with each member to create bespoke Key Results for them.
I try to show people that OKRs weave into existing business processes and will make reviews and updates more efficient and effective in the long-term. Yes there's a learning curve for sure but, if people are bought in, it can be a great journey to take together.
Once I've introduced them to the concept, I always ask people to create their own OKRs before we talk again. This helps them become more familiar with the process and, ultimately, more invested in the outcomes.
- plemichBrass Contributor
Especially as a leader, you often have some issues to translate the ideas and vision to every individual in your organization. Sure, you can explain it, draw some pictures but if not, everyone is directly involved, there is a lag of understanding how an individual can help the company to achieve these visions. By giving every person a connection to the company vision by visualizing the path helps them to engage more. At the same time, we’ve realized that we need to choose the period for the goals very carefully. If it’s a long-time goal with no specific requirement to make some check-ins, it’s not working. Within our company we use a 3-month period to avoid issues like this. We also use check-in requirements to make at least once per month.
Some users also use the integration of Microsoft Excel or Microsoft Planner with Viva Goals to make it easier to ensure the regular check-ins. So, this is not an additional step / task to complete, it’s an integrated part of the daily work.
- BrittHarper90Iron ContributorHow do you align individual and team OKRs? Do you have any lessons that you learned that you can share here?
- Rich_GibbonsBrass Contributor
That's a really good question! The individual OKRs of each team member should be focused on their role and strengths within the team and then, when taken together, those individual markers should collectively achieve the team goals.
In a perfect world, it should be the case that each individual does what they know they need to do and that hits their individual goals. If every individual does that, then the team goals should be achieved too. That won't always be the case, certainly not at first as there's a period of alignment where all parties are still working out exactly what is possible, how things can be achieved etc. but, over time, they should line up.
I would also point out that many Key Results and their initiatives are supposed to be stretch targets...so you don't necessarily want people hitting 100% each time. Setting them as stretch targets allows for personal growth, learning, and fulfilment while also driving success at a team, and thus organisational, level.
- plemichBrass ContributorWell, the individual OKRs are focusing on the personal growth of each person in our company. On the other side we do have company goals to achieve, and both are not necessarily the same or heading in the same direction. This is the point, where the team OKRs are coming in. With team OKRs we can help to visualize company goals on a more detailed level. This helps us to bring more focus on specific objectives and the smaller steps to achieve the company goals. This level helps our users to understand why this activity actually help the whole company – not ONLY the person itself.
- BrittHarper90Iron ContributorHow did you both learn about OKRs and what made you decide that they were right for your organization?
- plemichBrass ContributorThe initial start with OKR was quite a while ago when we had our first employee in the company. Due to our work with enterprise customers, we already have been aware of better ways to lead people by giving a clear answer to “why”. So, we tried to implement OKRs in our company but actually failed to the lag of transparency. – Setting goals at the beginning of the year is not enough to call it OKR.
- Rich_GibbonsBrass Contributor
It was actually when I first saw about Viva Goals. Seeing that MS had a product focused on this area prompted me to start researching OKRs and I quickly found them to be a useful, strong framework for businesses.
Keeping everyone aligned across an organisation is key and OKRs stood out to me as a great way to do that. I've been part of various different efforts to do this over the years and OKRs struck me as a great solution. The ability to connect the overall company objectives through to team and even individual goals is really powerful - especially in remote and hybrid organisations.
- BrittHarper90Iron ContributorHi Michael and Rich, we are excited to have you here with us today, can you introduce yourselves and tell us the name of your company and your role, and your organization's mission?
- plemichBrass ContributorHi, I’m Michael Plettner – Microsoft professional and Microsoft MVP for Microsoft 365 Apps and Services. I’m also a co-founder of in2success a consultancy company focusing on the benefits of Microsoft 365 technology and modern Project-Management methods to improve the daily, modern work for companies and end-users. My mission is also to help people to understand the WHY behind changes. Therefore, we’ve developed a tool to “measure” change readiness – Change Insight.
- Rich_GibbonsBrass ContributorHi, I’m Rich Gibbons – long time Microsoft user, seller, and trainer. I’m founder of Cloudy with a Chance of Licensing and my aim is to help people and organizations feel better about Microsoft licensing and to make the best, most informed decisions they can. I’m also Managing Director of ITAM Review, where we help IT Asset Managers learn, grow, and succeed on-premises and in the cloud.
- EmilyPerina
Community Manager
Welcome to the Microsoft Viva Goals AMA: Beginning Your OKR Journey with Viva Goals! This live hour gives you the opportunity to ask questions directly to the Microsoft team. Please post any questions in a separate, new comment thread on this event. Thanks!
- LizPierce
Microsoft
How did you balance using the energy of a 'change moment' towards adopting OKRs/a new tool vs. avoiding the perceived change management pain of having to fundamentally 'change the way you were working'? Eg did you go big on the 'power of OKRs' and if so did that intimidate / scare people about how to get started? Or did you emphasize how it's what you are already doing, but easier? Wondering if you leaned more in one way or the other, and what advice would you have for others?- Rich_GibbonsBrass Contributor
Hi LizPierce, That is a great question! I was really conscious that I didn't want people to think it was ANOTHER thing they had to do for no clear reason and maybe something that would become a tick box exercise.
I focused on the why - I wanted to make sure everyone was bought into the concept from the beginning so I gave some training sessions on what OKRs are first of all and people started to see the links between OKRs and what we were already doing.
That made it feel like a natural progression so rather than an additional thing, it was simply a more refined, more purposeful version of an existing process and idea.
- plemichBrass Contributor
I love this question LizPierce because this is showing a big pain point of a "zero to hero" story - change management is not working as a technical deployment project.
We've done an initial discussion about OKRs internally and because we already tried to work with goals but not with the OKR principals, it was a great way to present improvements in this area.
The next step was a "trial" period with our teams and multiple Q&A sessions about the how but als some discussions about the why.
Especially the discussions about the why helped our leadership to clarify some questions but also the team to understand the bigger picture of OKR itself and there role inside of the company.