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Feature update: Email sending behavior for Groups in Outlook
We have recently fixed the email sending behavior to a group, where senders had complained about receiving the emails they send to a group, back in their personal inbox. With this fix, senders will no longer receive the emails they send to a group, back in their personal inbox. The sender can receive email sent to group in there Inbox, they have to login to there mailbox using OWA, and then Settings->Mail->Groups->"Send me a copy of email I send to a group"
The primary complaints we heard were about reading the same message users sent to a group multiple times - in their sent messages, and their inbox.
We believe sending an email to a person or to a group should be consistent, and this circling back of an email from a group was just leading to confusion, unnecessary triage, and inconvenience for a lot of our users.
We understand that some users had started using this inconsistent behavior as a way to confirm if their emails were delivered to a group. An email sent to a group is already available in the group's conversation archive as well as in the sender's sent email.
Update (4/7/2017):
Thanks for all your valuable feedback. Though a good majority of our users have embraced this change for Groups, there's also a section of our users who complained about this change affecting their workflows. We value all the feedback from our users and hence we are considering enhancing this feature to address the negative feedback. Please watch this space for further updates on this feature in the coming weeks.
Nicholas Williams - No, there is no effect to group subscription options with this change. Subscribed users will continue to receive all group conversations, messages and events in their inbox as usual.
The only effect of this change will be on the sender of the messages to groups as below.
Old behavior
I send a message to a group, or reply back to a message from a group. Message is delivered to the group and is available in the group's conversation archive. I would also receive my message in back my inbox.
Revised behavior
I send a message to a group, or reply back to a message from a group. Message is delivered to the group and is available in the group's conversation archive. I would NOT receive my message in back my inbox.
Would be great if you can help us understand why your users are complaining with this change? What additional benefit does it provide to users when they receive their sent email back again in their inbox? Is it just a confirmation that the message was delivered to the group?
108 Replies
- morga84Copper Contributor
Please make this settable into Admin center or via powershell.. Our users are not looking in the groups mailboxes.
- Kyle GruberCopper Contributor
Look, I love Office365, it's a wonderful platform. But this small change is really putting a damper on my experience with email. I wouldn't mind the change, if Office365 hadn't for some reason automatically upgraded some of my distribution lists to Office 365 groups. Now a workflow that we've been used to for a decade now has changed. Sometimes change has to be forced on users for good reasons, I do not believe this change has a good reason behind it. I understand I can see the email I sent to the group in the shared mailbox, I do not want a shared mailbox, I do not want conversations. I want emails to be emails. Please add a configuration switch for this!!
- Salvatore BiscariSilver Contributor
Out of curiosity, why don't you continue to simply use DLs, if this is the right tool for you?
- Kyle GruberCopper Contributor
I will do that if it's an option, but I get a clear feeling that Microsoft is attempting to phase out DLs (upgrade button to O365 Groups in Exchange Admin Center), I could certainly be wrong about that. I don't have a problem with that if it's the case, just provide some backwards compatibility functionality for those who want it. Also, from what I've read you have to wait 24 hours to downgrade a O365 Group to Distribution List, does that result in any downtime for the inbox? If so, it's not an option, this is an extremely high priority and time-sensitive email. I know nobody internally upgraded these emails from DLs to Groups, so I assume it was either intentionally or accidentally automatically upgraded by Microsoft. There are other sporadic reports of this on the net, which seems to be another sign that DLs are being phased out.
- Adam LaveryCopper Contributor
The whole thrust of this argument seems to be about making Group messages behave more like Shared Mailboxes than Distribution Lists. Mail sent to a shared mailbox does not end up in the senders inbox (unless CC'd); mail sent to a DL does.
Microsoft have got groups all wrong. They should be an enhancement to Shared Mailboxes, not a replacement for DLs. Shared mailboxes centralise messages and anyone with access can see the whole mail history, both received and sent (if Outlook is setup properly).
We've always encouraged clients to use shared mailboxes rather than DLs for group addresses (see what I did there!). Much more sensible for clients to receive the mail once and see when it has been read and responses to it. Behind a Group is a shared mailbox, just most of it hidden. That makes no sense. Groups should expose the whole shared mailbox as normal. Then there'd be no need for group messages to behave differently in Outlook. If people want "conversations" (i.e. something more like IM), they can use SharePoint or Yammer.
Adding shared files and notes to what was a basic shared mailbox makes a whole lot more sense than messing about with DLs, which by their very nature are extremely simple constructs designed for one purpose - to send mails to multiple recipients.
As it stands, groups may have a use for internal communications on a particular subject, but they're no good for external communications where the full functionality of the shared mailbox is needed.
I urge Microsoft to consider Groups an enhancement to Shared Mailboxes, not DLs. Essentially that means you just need to back-out the changes made for Groups in Outlook and instead expose the full shared mailbox as normal. That then makes Groups a great tool to use for both internal and external communications and collaboration, with very easy management by end-users through Outlook.
- Abhimanyu SinghIron ContributorThis. Adam, you've put it rightly so. Microsoft has for sure gotten it all wrong with O365 Groups. It is all so messed up. Not only conversations, it forcefully creates a site as well, which I can't figure out why? If you create a site, it will forcefully create a group! It should be left to the creator on what workload is required and then add that selectively... But, then Teams?! It's all so messed up that I can't even figure out where to start complaining from, and where to end.
- Laura BensonCopper Contributor
I have several groups set up in "People". When I try to send to a group from the email screen, the Group Name does not come up as a choice. It is unrecognized, even if I type the full name exactly correct.
Is there a fix for this?
- Matt VernerBrass Contributor
Any news on the ability to configure Office 365 groups so that the sender receives the email? I have users that really, really want that ability.
- Ravin Sachdeva
Microsoft
This is on our backlog, but we do not have a definite timeline yet.
Meanwhile, can you help us understand what is the exact workflow which your users need this ability for? Thanks!- datpeteCopper Contributor
Ravin Sachdeva, there still does not seem to be a configuration option in O365 groups to allow the sender of a message to get a copy of the message in his personal inbox.
As a new organization in O365 we started to use O365 groups instead of DLs, because we understood that it would be "just like DLs but with a lot of extra features". But is it not, because of this deliberate design decision of making it impossible for an organization to define whether all group members (including sender) receive the message (just like DLs).
While a few of our users liked - and used - the group view of the messages, most user do not want to jump around to find the messages concerning them, and thus does not open the group view. They want it in their personal inbox. So due to a lot of unhappy users we had to change all our O365 groups into traditional DLs.
The current configuration option allow enabling "Send copies of all group messages and events to member's inbox". It does not mention that you will not yourself - as a member - receive this, but I now understand that that is the policy. But PLEASE add an extra option "Include delivery to sender's inbox" too. If not, our users will never embrace the group mechanism.
I understand that "most users" (and microsoft, it seems) does not like this feature. But it seems that a significant number of users miss this feature. What is lost for Microsoft in enabling this simple configuration feature, perhaps keeping it non-default? In total more users will be happy 🙂
- IT HelpdeskCopper Contributor
I'm having this problem with a newly created distribution group. Members of the group are recieving emails which they sent out. I've seen no settings in the Admin panel to control this behaviour.
- Ravin Sachdeva
Microsoft
Hi, can you please send me a direct message with your Group's email address? We will investigate why this is happening.
- Ionut VasilescuCopper Contributor
Hello,
Still not fixed. We've been testing the behavior of the Group Conversations, and still any message within a conversation goes to the Group but also the the personal Inbox of any of the gorup members. When I hit the "message" button, the Recipients automatically include both the group email and also each group member email address.
The groups we tested are all created without the option of subscribing new members. We've tried Subscribe (afterwards) and Unsubscribe, but there is not difference. Each message in the group conversation goes to he personal Inboxes as well.
We have recently started working with Office 365, and this group conversation feature seemed very useful and attractive, but now it is simply annoyong the way it behaves.
Is there any solution forseen for this?
Thank you.
- Craig ArnoldtIron Contributor
Hello.
Is this change world wide yet? I have some tenants where the change has not taken place.
Thank you.
Craig.
- Ravin Sachdeva
Microsoft
This change should be deployed world wide by now. Can you provide more details of the behavior that you notice? We can help debug why you are not seeing the change in behavior yet.- Amit TrivediCopper ContributorHi ,
We are still facing the same issue ..If we reply on group or DLs , we also getting that in our inbox .
So Is that something we have to do on our end ?
- Philippa NajmanCopper Contributor
As a teacher I set up each one of my class sets as a group. I do not like this change as when I used to send a message to a group the email that was sent to my inbox was a quick way to know that a email notification has been sent to each student in the group. Now, I am uncertain if they have recieved a notification, not handy for me but a good get out clause for the students. I can no longer say 'I got the email so you must have as well!'
On another note, I have spent quite a few hours trying to findout what had been changed when I noticed, last week, that group email notifications were not being sent back to me as the sender. I did not find any notice about this change and only came across this thread today.
Please confirm, will all members of the group, excluding the sender, recieve an email to alert them to a new/reply to a conversation. And is there a way to reverse the change for the reasons stated above.
Philippa
- Ravin Sachdeva
Microsoft
Hi Philippa, apologies for the inconvenience caused to you because of this change. A notification about this change was sent to your organization's IT administrator with the ID - MC94667.
Any email that is sent to an O365 Groups inside Outlook is available to view instantly in the conversations list of the group and your sent email. You or your students can navigate to the group from your Outlook left navigation pane and find that email under the 'Conversations' list. Needless to mention, any message found in this list inside the group can only be deleted by an owner of the group and no one else. This should ensure that there is no uncertainty about a message sent to a group. You should be able to tell your students "the email is a part of the group's conversation list, so you must have received it in your inbox!" :)
Rest assured, if there is any delivery issue with any email sent from Outlook, you shall receive an 'Undeliverable..' message error in your inbox. So, you'll always know if an email was undelivered to a recipient.
The behavior of receiving one's own sent email to a group back in the inbox was unnecessary and an annoyance to most of our users. That said, we are currently working on enhancing this feature, which will give a user more control over email sent to a O365 group.
- Geoff BeckerCopper Contributor
Does this apply to traditional distribution lists as well? I am still seeing the behavior when I email a distribution list I am a member of I also receive the email in my inbox.
- Ravin Sachdeva
Microsoft
No. This affects only Groups sending behavior and not traditional distribution lists.
When you send an email to a traditional distribution list, you will receive that email back in your inbox.
Hope that clarifies.- John RagsdaleCopper Contributor
Sending to a group should still go to all of the group, regardless of whether it's a traditional distribution list or not.
- Esam El-OlemyCopper Contributor
This is a major change that our users were not expecting at. As a group collaborating together they were using the O365 groups in a certain way and working primarily out of their Inbox and all of a sudden they found that they are not receiving copies for the emails and have to communicate back and force between Inbox,, Sent Items.
At least 10 complaints so far from our users.