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Saving files to SharePoint Online is HARD
- Aug 16, 2019
It's been a while since I made this post and I'd only think it fair to follow up with it as Microsoft has delivered some real positive improvements in this space.
Files on Demand - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/onedrive/use-group-policy#FilesOnDemandEnabled
AutoMount Team Sites - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/onedrive/use-group-policy#AutoMountTeamSites
Save to SharePoint site - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2015/11/09/attachments-in-outlook-2016-ready-for-collaboration/ and much easier when using the two features mentioned above.
Bonus points: Live document collaberation - https://support.office.com/en-us/article/document-collaboration-and-co-authoring-ee1509b4-1f6e-401e-b04a-782d26f564a4
Big thanks to ssquires , LincolnDeMaris , cfiessinger , and anybody else involved with these changes. They were a game changer when they launched and they've been much appreciated by consultants and end-users alike!!
It never fails to amaze me how IT pros and even power users can be so oblivious to the struggles "normal" users face with technology. The more ironic point is that many of these struggles could be avoided if the solution implementors knew the product better and spent a few minutes training the end users.
We approach our clients with these projects and sell them on the collaboration and usability benefits that they can offer. Yet seem to get irritated when they can't alter their behavior to accomodate the solution. Some of my end users have been saving company files to file shares for going on 30 years. It's really the one thing that has always been constant. I've been using sharepoint and other ecm systems for half that time and I still find myself getting frustrated with the shortfalls.
The idea that sharepoint SHOULD replace file shares is, at least in my eyes, rediculous. Sharepoint can be a complete file system but it's not what it was meant for. I can create a pretty decent report using notepad, but when I use tools specifically designed for the process I'm working on, the experience is far better. If you sell sharepoint as a better file server, your users are going to struggle. And if you force users into using it as their primary file system they will straight up revolt.
My rule of thumb has been this. If the company is willing to shift the way they work with their files from a traditional explorer based system to a web page based experience, sharepoint is the way to go. But if not, don't force them. Azure has file storage options that work beautifully. Spinning up a server vm to handle file storage also works well. But the key is, instead of forcing them to use sharepoint, give them reasons to want to use sharepoint. Train them on the ways it does save time and provide a better experience. That way if they decide to move everything to the cloud, it will be because they understand the trade offs and have weighed those against the benefits themselves.
Apologies for my long winded rant.
As for saving files. If you setup a site for document management with a drop off library, all your users need to do is have one place where they save all of their documents. Add one or two required managed Metadata fields, and sharepoint will move the content to the correct place on its own. For example, I ask users when saving a document to add two tags, 1. The desired Site(business function) 2. The related Client. 99. 9 percent of the time the document is routed to the place it needs to be and the users love it because it's even less work than navigating a filesystem set of folders. On the rare occasion that the routing is wrong or they tagged it wrong, they know to open Delve and look/search there. Delve has literally gained the nickname of the Bermuda Triangle with many of my clients. The only time they ever go there is to find a missing document. I've been doing this for several years and have yet to have a client dislike it.
Yes, yours is definitely a "rant." And your idea (having a file end up somewhere with some percentage of likelihood that is less than 100%) doesn't solve the problem at best, and makes new problems at worst.
We used to be able to map a network drive to a SharePoint doc library. That solved the problem, but issues with WebDAV re-broke it. Microsoft, please fix this.
If we could all "File > Save As" to SharePoint doc libraries from any app in Windows, problem solved. I'm sure this is coming some day soon. But to me, "not yet" is "not soon enough."
- Kevin WelshNov 28, 2018Copper Contributor
Azure Files is a great option for a straight on-prem file server replacement. However, it's priced separately from Office 365, and the actual cost is tricky to predict in advance. Also, afaik, it loses the collaborative features that come with Word Online / Word + SharePoint.
Office Aps have File > Save As => Doc Library
I just need it in the Windows "File Save As" dialog.
- Nathan FilzNov 28, 2018Copper ContributorAs I said, it's not 100%, but I would definitely say it's better than the alternative. Put it this way, I had hundreds of users at my throat ready to burn sharepoint at the stake when we tried it the "file system" way. And now they love how simple it is plus it's had the added benefit of eliminating the occurances of users saving documents locally. Which was always a pain even in the old days.
I just don't want Microsoft to spend the time and energy trying to make the sharepoint experience more like a file server. Afterall, if they make it the same, it loses its ability to be a competent document management system. In your example your users are saving things directly to a document library. But what happens when a retention policy, or declaration of record takes place that programmatically moves the document? If you're just using a bunch of document libraries with none of the true benefits of SharePoint, why not use an azure file store?
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/storage/files/storage-files-introduction
You do make a good point however about dragging and dropping. With windows 10 we have the people bar in the Taskbar that you can drag files, links etc to. Why couldnt Microsoft make a SharePoint Library version of the same concept. Give users the ability to Pin 5 of their most common library's and allow uploading via simple drag and drop.