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The i7-7700K meet the minimun requierments to run Win11. But its not suported, Why?
and even simple things like say you wanted to get optane memory to work on certain optane chips... from 8th or 9th generation to 7th generation I can show you chips that would better on coffee lake or later than kaby lake... so obviously there are physical hardware limitations as well... that is not to say that they cannot code it but it's not necessarily financially wise for them to do so... especially considering that they already got your money and they would get themselves a nice big fat paycheque when either you come around or someone in your workplace puts your job on the line for not having it...
take this review: notice that the Intel technology does not work for Kaby Lake...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14249/the-intel-optane-memory-h10-review-two-ssds-in-one
it's one of many examples, but it shows that there are differences... if you want to know your processor architecture and other dynamics obviously it can be forever detailed but for example, what technical documents you need can be obtained from Intel directly. You can see by spec analysis there is a significant difference amongst the processors everything from frequency to cache size, etc.. enjoy the article... In the example of this article only Whiskey Lake properly supports the technology described in the article. Which also makes another point, that it would create issues for hardware designers as well... for example, if someone wants to create a new peripheral device for Windows 11 compatibility they would have to further extend their reach to looking at making it so that it can be backwards compatible to that of the Intel i7. I will provide a simple example to make a point, if someone like myself has an older laptop that supports say USB 3.0 but not 3.1, then the person selling the peripheral or harddrive or device, etc., needs to ensure backwards comptability with USB 3.0. So now it's not only Microsoft who pays but third party product vendors and developers... which is sort of lesser of a point because for example, they have let's say my old laptop again which is designed for windows 10, it is only has 4 gb of ram, so Android Studio that is Windows 10 compatible only accepts 8 gb of ram and up. So I don't see why they cannot simply look at which resources are missing and then say well it's not going to work for those applications but there is the issue of coding and making it that way... which could even be bios updates and a whole cost issue with no incentive.
You can explain it away all you want, there is NO technical reason why it would NOT work.
- I agree - he spends too much time defending Microsloth and his beliefs of why the company has made a stupid decision. Maybe his mom works there.
- I’m not sure to say Microsoft has never done something like this in 40 years… Microsoft has done a lot of things… are you are trying to suggest that the operating systems that were built over the years did not have system requirements? They have drawn the line at the i7 7700k and are not supporting this processor with the Windows 11 release.
- You have a big comprehension problem, Microsoft has NEVER in almost 40 years did something like that. When an OS supports a minimum speed and an architecture type, they never require anything else. It's the first time MS has ever done an arbitrary cutoff like that. It makes NO sense.
You can confort yourself that you're so cool you know people at Microsoft, it still wont help your comprehension of this issue. This thread shows there is a problem and MS has not addressed it.
I sure hope you'll learn with experience in life to read and understand issues besides spewing useless things in a thread about an arbitrary cutoff of random CPUs. Yes, if you do not want to hear from the Microsoft community, please contact Microsoft yourself. Do not complain as I have been polite to you and have not complained about your ignorance. Also, further all my replies have helped to give a most comprehensive answer to the solution something I find interesting and would even like to answer and resolve for myself. Many of my friends are seniors at Microsoft, I know many people who have had high roles within the company and have contributed to the development of the Microsoft community. Some of the answers are blunt, not disguised and honest, rather than hide any facts it’s important to consider all the possible themes in the decision. As well your point of just looking at the TPM module is really insufficient maybe Microsoft wants to guarantee a certain standard of achievement with Windows 11 that the I7 7700k cannot achieve. TPM 2.0 is since 2006 so the idea that Windows 11 must include all computer models made from 2006 seems erroneous, I don’t think your argument is well founded. Maybe you should suck it up and not be so bitter towards the rest of us.
The link shows TPM 2.0 from 2006… https://trustedcomputinggroup.org/wp-content/uploads/TPM-Rev-2.0-Part-4-Supporting-Routines-00.96-130315-code.pdf
- Yes, one more point since the goal is to have a comprehensive analysis. The fabrication of chips is environmentally taxing, we need to meet strict environmental goals and there’s a general chip shortage, auto manufacturers had to cut production so while profits might be important for Microsoft it should be balanced with environmental stewardship and really considering what people need. When I speak about the cost of production I am thinking of the resources precious metals (metallurgy), labor, energy costs, time, electricity and factory considerations like the forest fires in California, etc., it would be more socially responsible seemingly to prolong the life of computers than to make them a disposable item and to continuously increase the demands of resources to the point that we see Microsoft sinking data Centers into the ocean as a means of being able to provide more cloud computing services and so forth that is a threat as well to its habitation. We should consider the need of computers and go to that essence but not to exaggerate it beyond what is healthy, necessary or beneficial.
- Man, are you OK? This has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand, you've been talking alone for like 3 pages, answering your own posts in a subject other people are interested in hearing MS answer, not someone posting weird shit that makes no sense... please relax and go do something else.
- It was a test/experiment that I believe I showed that the production date is not necessarily the same as the date of delivery to the customer and that often it could be 2-3 years before it reaches the customers hands as a brand new top of the line product especially on prebuilds. I showed this to be the case even with Microsoft’s own store and used some of their top vendors based on what appeared to be the hottest and most recommended products for sale. The results could have swayed any which way at first with Best Buy USA shop, it appeared as production date and the date of sale by retailer to customer, time to market may have been close after further investigation with all possible resellers we see that the time to market and production date was mostly separated by 2-3 years… thus showing that in the case of the i7 7700k we see that many may have not had their computer for more than two years, some may have purchased from a major retailer based on their recommendation within as little as a single year and are already facing obsolescence…
- Well, thanks for showing absolutely nothing. MS for the first time in almost 40 years has decided that some CPU that are meeting all the system requirements of the OS (x64, TPM2.0, etc) are not compatible for their OS.
Never have they made this decision. But, hey, continue to talk to yourself in 12 consecutive posts if it makes you happy! My point of the test was to see the likelihood that a front and center item is sold by production date which I showed it is not. My test demonstrates that it is highly likely that someone would have bought the computer somewhere in the last year to 3 years as the latest hottest machine and in this short period of time, ie. less than a year, they are told that it is time to move ahead with another machine if they don’t want to be left out in the dust of obsolescence, have what is deemed as an inferior system or be incompatible and out of date… I proved it with a test that I didn’t know the results ahead of time… the vendor includes Microsoft themselves nevermind the millions of sellers licensed by Microsoft to sell their products and it did not look at the oldest computer that they sold but their preferred suggestion, what they recommended as their hottest item…
- My final comparison is the Acer France market… what is hottest item they recommend and the production date of the processor versus minimum sale price to be their hottest item for sale not their oldest item for sale…. So it could technically be from a major retailer less than 1 year before hitting obsolescence…
Porsche Design Acer Premium Collection Ordinateur portable ultrafin | AP714-51GT | Argent
Nice Porsche name 🙂
Processeur Intel® Core™ i7-1165G7 Quad-core (4 cœurs) 2,80 GHz
Which shows up on Intel at q3 2020 so 1 year old…
Thus to conclude there is a very real possibility that although production date on i7 7700k was in 2017 , 4 years ago, that people bought their computer from a major big box retailer in anywhere from less than a year ago to 3 years as the latest hottest item and are told almost very quickly that there computer faces obsolescences and end of life… in other words there is a probability that these computers were sold to consumers as new somewhere between 1 and 3 years ago and not by the production date that was 4 years ago. - Keep in mind these are the major retailers not the small guy and the main thing that they want to sell to the customer their hottest item not their oldest item .
For dell possibly Canada typed dell.ca but was redirected I get:
Intel® Celeron® Processor N4020
This is late 2019 thus exactly 2 years old not more but that still shows the i7 would be discontinued within two years of sale from their hottest item to garbage… - Doing Microsoft Mexico store the main laptop advertised was
Procesador Intel® Core™ i5 de 10.ª generación: 1035G1
That is from 3rd quarter 2019 so this shows that even with Microsoft as there main computer for sale they are trying to sell something that is 2 years old reasonable for them to be shown as the latest hottest item thus they are not even giving intel i7 7700k 2 years of life from newest hottest item to shelf to obsolescence on to dell and acer.. - Best buy usa shows 11th generation i5 as daily deal there most objectively featured computer.
Best buy canada however shows, Pentium Gold G6400T, this is release q2 2020 so 1.5 years ago and I was not able to visit the Best Buy Mexico. You could just imagine what the results are for Europe or places like Colombia, who would have recently bought office computers that are becoming obsolete, etc.. I will continue the rest of the experiment and document results. So far without looking at the oldest model best buy carries in the usa , they offer a current chip as their main deal but in Canada it is delayed by almost 2 years… - I mean at this point you're talking to yourself, you're stating hypothesis that only you are advocating are you are proving or disproving them.
The fact is, in all the history of Windows (and MSDOS), it's the first time MS has decided to block a CPU that is young and performant, on other ground than minimum requirements of speed and architecture.
You can argue all you want about your hypothetical theories, it doesn't change that fact.
I know MS has many flaws, but I've always been behind them, it's the first time in my life that I am so baffled in front of a decision.
My computer, even in 4 years, will still be as performant as a mid level pc from that moment. - To prove my point I will do a test. I will visit Acer store, I will visit Microsoft store, I will visit Best Buy and Dell and see what the first most obvious featured computer is then verify the release date versus the date they promote it . The purpose of this experiment is to illustrate that even though the release date was 2017, it is very possible that someone would have gone to Best Buy less than 2 years ago, late in 2019 and have purchased this computer as the latest greatest machine that was expensive and would endure a great period of time. It should be noted that this experiment is arbitrary and could illustrate interesting results.
- Another important point is yes the chip was released in 2017 but for example the local computer parts store always finds themselves a generation behind or if someone bought the computer as a prebuilt I wouldn’t be surprised if places like Best Buy, Dell, etc., we’re selling the i7 7700k right into late 2019 as the latest edition making the computer more like 2 years old. Especially in countries across the world someone could have bought the computer and in less than 2 years they are told it is obsolete. In my area even though it was released then and tech savvy persons as myself might be fortunate to get the latest it definitely didn’t hit the shelves at least in prebuilts for at least one year after…
- And yes , the 7700 is the cadillac of the 2010s , if we remember the decade by any major milestone chip it will be that one but what about people who were say less fortunate but bought the 6700k just before they will want service extended for them then after people with 3700k will also, etc.. there’s other models of that decade that made waves. Plus it’s a chance for Microsoft to act like Apple and be like well this hardware gets you Big Sur etc.. yes it would be nice for them to give 10 years of service but that’s on intel’s back not theirs plus the manufacturers officially only give 5 years on the motherboard and 3 years on the chip from the outset…
- You are about as powerless as you are to walk into a store perfectly healthy free from viruses or disease without a mask living in California…
- He has approximately 1000 times more money than Linus Torvalds who has the majority market share. So obviously that method is not going to do much to someone with 100s of billions that wants trillions… at least this strategy is hopeful to cause another income revolution, extending service warranties to customers for longer and longer terms with no incentives has no hope in making him a trillionaire. Plus businesses and people with money could seduce you into wanting to make the upgrade eventually anyways… so what is there really to complain about it’s not like you weren’t going to upgrade in 2 years anyways… maybe you want more cores, more memory, etc..
There were other factors that didn’t win them over the mobile market certainly not the licensing fees… - Getting a diminishing share of a market due to returning to old practices didn’t work the first time which caused bill gates to lose focus on mobile. Back to the future?
- They can do it but they don’t want to. If you ask them why they will say it’s cause it’s not blue eyed, if you show them any processor with the same color eyes they will find an excuse. At the end of the day it comes down to profit motive and they did a calculated move that will raise and maximize their stock price so you just need to accept it and be happy because the harder you try to win with these guys the more they will rip you up and destroy you..
You’re missing the point… you remind me of Homer in this video based on your good hearted innocence… https://youtu.be/H27rfr59RiE .. you can’t win against this guy and that’s it… not to be offensive and only to show you how Microsoft wants to get ahead and that’s it. They aren’t interested in losing out on opportunity..
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4166530/how-to-manage-a-hierarchy-of-committers-like-linux-kernel-dev
This thread has a response that sort of explains the Linus hierarchy that finishes with Linus being the boss… not many would like it if Bill Gates or Steve Jobs were the ultimate boss necessarily so hard to imagine why you would want that any better with Linus even if he just earns a measly 10 million US dollars per year that could essentially buy him any processor he wants while he lives in his little 2 bedroom apartment for his entire family in Finland so he admits yes he is taken advantage of , not living with Bill Gates style 100s of billions of us$ but in his words he is still quite ok… still a multi millionaire …- Microsoft has decided not to support i7 7700k. They could but decided not to. It is an economic decision, yes.
https://youtu.be/Ib7tFvw34DM
This video talks about how someone had a power pc and it wasn’t supported by Freebsd so they gave him commit access to make it work. If one of us wanted to be a free warrior and just make the code for windows 11 work for free and convince them we are interested in doing it for the long run then they will support windows 11 or like a major business etc.. wanting to dedicate funds for a programming team… but it doesn’t look like it will happen… https://youtu.be/Ib7tFvw34DM
Enjoy the video… plus windows is not open source and although their code is leaked illegally by programmers they don’t allow random commits by strangers that Freebsd will allow (obviously with some scrutiny) , Linux has a hierarchy so they will not allow strangers to even suggest they need to work their way up the pyramid… - But you seem the miss the obvious point: you can probably use any of today's CPU with any other previous version of Windows. If it supports x86 or x64, you CPU will handle it.
They have no reason to not do the same with Windows 11. No OS will do something like that besides them.
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