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american built custom pc in EEA can't uninstall edge and is otherwise non compliant with DMA
FordGAA " The law says it must be doable and yet it's still here with no uninstall option to permanently"
Does this law (which was introduced only in Europe) work on other systems, e.g. Android -> uninstall Chrome, Mac -> uninstall Safari?
- it is supposed to infact i do think you are supposed to be able to install other app stores on iphones but i think apple is trying to do their best to make it as hard as possible or financially not viable to do so but I personally hope they hand apple some pretty big fines and possibly kick them out from selling in the EEA for pulling their shenanigans. and its not all of europe its only countries in the eea
and there hasnt been a restriction on uninstalling chrome on android granted it goes into disabled mode which deletes stored data and uninstalls any updates basically leaving you with the installer i think google was already complying with the rulings i think more to the point android phones that are walled off by carriers or 3rd party manufacturers are more affected for example bixby on samsung and samsung garbage or verizons bloatware stuff like that but on android you always were able to uninstall things even the store and they just revert back to their installer package with no updates or cached data ... stored data you can delete manually or leave if its needed in the future.- im waiting for some lawyer who is in the eea who purchases an already setup possibly used machine from outside of the eea and exclusively uses a vpn pointed at london or has an isp that has their wan ip located in a non eea country. that will then be a major lawsuit and probably worth a ton for some legal firm. The dma rules dont care where the computer (including android and ©Ⓡapple™) came from nor does it care if you are vpning outside of the eea. it only cares if the person is a citizen of the eea not where that citizen currently resides. me being a dual citizen living in arizona with an italian citizenship means the dma rules apply to me and MS is currently in violation of them. ©Ⓡapple™ apparently is flaunting the laws completely and will probably get smacked down a few pegs they apparently give a "grace" period before they force you back into their walled garden and get rid of all the work you did cant wait till ©Ⓡapple™ gets whats coming. But yeah if MS doesnt allow me to get rid of edge and bing and their ai thing and xbox (yes there is a tiny shred of a connector left that you cant get rid of) I am going to start calling lawyers and seeing what kind of case can be made and how much compensation we might be able to get.
- as far as i can tell chapter 1 article 1 item 2 states This Regulation shall apply to core platform services provided or offered by gatekeepers to business users established in the Union or end users established or located in the Union, irrespective of the place of establishment or residence of the gatekeepers and irrespective of the law otherwise applicable to the provision of service.
and as far as i can tell that means no matter where you are geographically as long as you are a citizen of an eea country or have the device under a business that has its headquarters in an eea country you are covered under these laws. and there is no carve out for "needing to select any specific country during intitial setup" or "have an ip inside an eea country" or "set your country to get the benefits" however im pretty sure the dma will have no problems with that last one or some other popup on systems asking what country the user has citizenship in.
Thank you for your reply, but I think that Europe is making too many decisions that may not be workable!
I will wait for a reasonable review of these guidelines, which certainly go far beyond monopolistic practice
well if these companies want to do business in the eea countries they must comply or they must make sure their systems do not enter those markets and when they do they probably need to stop working. there isn't any provision for devices and systems made outside of the eea or grandfathered in or even for systems that never entered the eea ever because the eea citizen is residing outside of the eea. now certainly if the citizen that has never entered he eea and has purchased a foreign system that was not in the eea and that user never alerts the company that they are part of the eea then i can't see how any court would say they are in violation because the company didn't and could not have known the user was an eea citizen. however once the company was made aware the citizen was an eea citizen and the company didn't act in a reasonable time to make sure that system was in compliance with both the dma and dsa laws then im pretty sure the law would protect that citizen especially when there is plenty of notification time and reasonable time to resolve the issues supplying necessary patches to allow the user to change the systems defaults as outlined in the dma and removing / securing the users data that has been collected between initial boot and when the company was made aware of the problem to comply with the law.