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The i7-7700K meet the minimun requierments to run Win11. But its not suported, Why?
Devices that do not meet the minimum system requirements had 52% more kernel mode crashes. Devices that do meet the minimum system requirements had a 99.8% crash free experience.
Read more here: https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/08/27/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements-and-the-pc-health-check-app/
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- We saw the information referenced and it does not explain it. Why would Windows 11 cause our Core-i7 7700k computers to crash when they don’t under windows 10? Ridiculous.
Because each processor has unique machine code level instructions and they could not be bothered to program and test them without an assurance that they recently got paid for it. Whereas windows 10 you could have bought it last week so to make the OS obsolete in a week is not fair hence the free upgrade but if you bought a 7th generation pc last week then you are dumb they know that people bought those 4 years ago.. they are a business not a charity
- They crash more because the majority are DIY machines and subject to more compatibility issues and screw ups by their builders.
The i7-7700k meet the requirements. All the requirements that need W11 to run into a certain processor. KapilArya
- It would be interesting to venture into the differences between the 7th and 8th generation of cpu to determine the decision of MS about security. TPM ready also.
- Appears to have the same level of security. The main requirement was Secure Boot and TPM 2.0 and it have them both. And I chat with Microsoft for 2 hours and they failed trying to justifying it.
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KapilArya To be clear, this language from microsoft implies that supported devices have a 99.8% "crash-free experience" (whatever that means), while unsupported devices have ~50% more crashes, aka 1.5x as many crashes, thus a 99.7% "crash-free experience". This strikes me as a mild difference relative to the scary juxtaposition of the numbers 99.8 vs 52. Indeed, it is impressive in my opinion that "unsupported" hardware has only 50% more crashes.
- Insufficient reason. Leave that decision to those that invested in their systems. Our systems are rock solid with the Core i7-7700K. It’s obvious tgat there is an agenda at play and it’s not to better serve their customers in this instance. Our computers exceed all of the real requirements. Someone will eventually challenge it more formally. You would think that lessons learned would be built into MS’s process by now.
KapilArya So, the numbers say that with incompatible devices (which include other incompatibles like MB, GPU etc) would have 99.7% crash free experience. So, based on the 0.1% more failure rate across all incompatibilities tried, results that for 7700k processor would be a even higher rate of crash free experience, between 99.7% to 99.8%.
Microsoft, nice paying around with words. I am quite sure that 7700k is at around the same 99.8% crash free rate.
- Mine is one more. I have a quite recente ASUS (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU 2.80GHz 2.81 GHz 16GB RAM) according with minimal requirements to run Win11, but at the same time, the CPU isn't supported by Win11 OS. Mystery!
In Your opinion is it possible to install Win11 anyway, also if the check test Microsoft highlights CPU not supported? Do You think this check blocks the installation?
Thanks- It turns out that officially you can not upgrade from win 10 but you can still officially do an install from an official iso image. This can be generated with a Microsoft tool. However they started that the unsupported hardware will not receive support. But most importantly it will not receive automatic updates and if you want to update later, you need to do another iso and install (possibly over the old installation like an update)
codiac Agreed. It's time for Microsoft to consider modifying their customer strategy on this topic. This processor seems to be the largest outlier. While some may try and argue that 6th Gen should work, that seems like a step too far. Even if only this specific processor was added it would quell those with multi-thousand dollar builds that are MORE than capable of running Windows 11, have TPM support and meet all of the specifications except for the processor specific callout. It's simply not good business and starts Microsoft down an old path that should be avoided given the immense lessons learned about this sort of strategy. Don't game your customers. Microsoft should Accept that the approach has flaws, fix it and let's all move forward.
well... been hesitating purchasing a new macbook for a while, having purchased a quad core PC that isn't compatible with Windows 11 kind of clinches it. Tired of failed updates and the crappy ms store. at least it runs Steam/Epic well.
Scott_Saddison windows 11 supports systems with even dual core cpus and very low memory…
Intel atom x6200fe as an example is supported by windows 11.
KapilArya - this is meaningless - the "had 52% more kernel mode crashes" is designed to make people believe it's specific and scientific, but it is not (because they simply could not test all processors made by AMD or Intel). This is a made-up number. Microsoft is simply taking a leaf from the Apple book and deciding arbitrarily when to cut off support, based on dates and not technical factors. We all know the i7-7700K is perfectly capable of supporting W11, it's just too old for their blind criteria.
- So 99.6% vs 99.8%. So the magic number is 99.8 then? Interesting.
- So does that mean that 100% - 99.8% = 0.2% of supported devices did not have a crash free experience. Therefore 0.2% * 152% = 0.3% of unsupported devices did not have a crash free experience?
99.8% crash free vs 99.7% crash free doesn’t sound like a good reason to not support 7th gen Intel i7, if I’m interpreting these stats correctly.ariveron no, each processor is unique. In order to program a processor you need the instruction sets and other specs from the manufacturer that keeps in mind the registers, cache, instructions, pipelining and so on and so forth for each and every processor. This has not been done for the i7 7700k. Subsequently extensive testing and support is needed. When people use the i7 7700k now they are making the operating system think it is another processor and thus are not getting a best use of resources also certain machine language codes could cause a crash and instability.
You will not get a best use of cpu resources and it is not advisable nor advantageous, plus many features and functions will not be possible at all.
https://youtu.be/piJhu7sI3Iw Watch this video, this will give you an idea of what needs to be done.
Just because Microsoft has buggy Windows 11 code doesn't mean it is the processor's fault. The 7700's have been proven workhorses for 4+ years without documented flaws. Their non-support by Microsoft is just a decision on Microsoft to lessen their development support costs. However, non-suport of this processor means that we will not be upgrading ANY computers to Windows 11. We are not going to support an environment where some computers are Windows 11 and others Windows 10.
- faced none of the crashes🤣🤣🤣🤣😆
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