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Jul 09 2022 05:45 AM

Hi everyone

I am working with large amounts of current data from a photovoltaic plant and I need to find those current values that deviate from the average and therefore are producing less than the rest. I only know that there is less production at sunrise and sunset because at that time the pv panels are shaded and the value of current produced decreases.

I have data every 15 minutes from 2021 to 2022.

I appreciate if anyone could help me with this.

Thanks in advance

Valentina

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Jul 09 2022 09:41 AM

This is a really cool project but really need more info. Can you share a sample of the sheet. If you can't attach it here you can share using a link in SharePoint or DropBox or the like or if you PM it to me here (click my icon and click message) I can attach it for you.

That said, about 1/2 of them will be less than the mean (sort of by definition but not exactly). So you need to define a better metric. Maybe less than 1 or 2 STD less than the mean or use functions like PERCENTILE or QUARTILE or RANK to help. But also need to determine if you want average values and how to average. As you noted the output will increase and decrease throughout the day and the location of some may be better than others. Should you be looking at the average for a day across the set or maybe look at the average for a month for the SAME one a year ago and see how much it dropped and in comparison to how much all the others have dropped because any given month may be more or less sunny.

That said, about 1/2 of them will be less than the mean (sort of by definition but not exactly). So you need to define a better metric. Maybe less than 1 or 2 STD less than the mean or use functions like PERCENTILE or QUARTILE or RANK to help. But also need to determine if you want average values and how to average. As you noted the output will increase and decrease throughout the day and the location of some may be better than others. Should you be looking at the average for a day across the set or maybe look at the average for a month for the SAME one a year ago and see how much it dropped and in comparison to how much all the others have dropped because any given month may be more or less sunny.

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Jul 09 2022 11:57 AM

@mtarler thank you for your answer.

I agree with you that there will be multiple below average current values which does not mean that all those PV panels are shaded. Those whose value is considerably below average (thank you very much for the suggestion to incorporate the standard deviation) would be those that are shaded.

I am analyzing the values every 15 minutes, ie.

7:00

7:15

7:30

7:45

8:00

etc.

In this way I will be able to have a daily, then monthly, and finally annual trend, understanding that the position of the sun and the angle of incidence of solar radiation has seasonal variation so that the modules that receive shade in summer may not be the same as in winter.

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Jul 09 2022 01:56 PM

any chance you can attach the document or give a link to it in sharepoint or dropbox or something.

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Jul 10 2022 01:41 PM

Try this free Excel template to find outliers based on the theory of the box plot using the IQR method which is more stable than the mean method. https://boxplot-outlier-data-analysis-templates.sellfy.store/p/free-findoutlier-boxplot-analysis-tem...

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Jul 10 2022 02:32 PM

Thanks very much for your answer. I'm gonna check the IQR method, which a haven't heard about.

I think the values are not extrictely "outlyers" because there is not a huge difference between the current average and the minimun values (that it is supposed to be the panels that are shaded and therefore produce less current than the rest). The difference is between 10% or 30% less than the average.

Thank you very much, have a great day!

Best

I think the values are not extrictely "outlyers" because there is not a huge difference between the current average and the minimun values (that it is supposed to be the panels that are shaded and therefore produce less current than the rest). The difference is between 10% or 30% less than the average.

Thank you very much, have a great day!

Best

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Jul 11 2022 08:00 AM

Solution@Valentinaampuero So I go the sample files (May-Nov of 2021). I am attaching the Nov data here. In this file I added a tab (DailyAvg) where I calculate the average for every :15 sec slot for each panel across all the days recorded. I then calculate the average (col LED) and std (col LEE) for each :15sec slot and added conditional formatting to highlight all the spots <1std (orange) and <2 std (red). Finally at the bottom I did a count for how many times that particular panel was found to be <1 STD and <2 STD on average. I hope this might be helpful and can be a template for the other months. Maybe even collate these summary counts across months for even better indicator of performance across the year.

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Jul 11 2022 08:25 AM

@mtarler Wow! you did in one hour what i couldn't do in the whole weekend hahaha

I'm looking at the file right now and trying to understand the formulas and the results.

Thank you so much!

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Jul 11 2022 08:27 AM

@mtarler you can not use the standard deviation method unless the mean, median and mode of your dataset - in this case your **DailyAvg** values - are the same. The deviation method relies on the basic business statistics assumption that the mean, median and mode are the same. And, if they are, then you can use the standard deviation method to make assumptions about values that are not normal. In this case the following box plot method based on the median must be used: https://boxplot-outlier-data-analysis-templates.sellfy.store/box-plot-graph-statistics/. This approach uses the more stable median, not mean (average) as its starting point and then uses percentile cutoffs (eg. 25th percentile, 50th percentile, 75 percentile, interquartile range (IQR) to then determine what values are not normal. This particular example dataset could be approached using a template that I developed for multiple columns of data. Here is a link to a similar case study that I developed on Humber River water levels data using the median approach: https://boxplot-outlier-data-analysis-templates.sellfy.store/p/case-study-humber-river-water-levels-.... You can download this free Excel-worksheet to see how my algorithm would approach the same problem. Thanks

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Jul 11 2022 08:29 AM

@Valentinaampuero please see my reply below to @mtarler

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Jul 11 2022 08:45 AM

Hello, thanks for your answer. Now, if i have understood correctly the Standard deviation is not a valid measure because the data does not behave normally.

Maybe the way you propose is more accurate and it should be used.

Thanks

Maybe the way you propose is more accurate and it should be used.

Thanks

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Jul 11 2022 09:08 AM

@Valentinaampuero That is correct. And, if I understand correctly that this data is related to solar power capture, then all of the 0's before 7:00am in the morning in your dataset are also irrelevant: since, it simply makes sense that you will not capture solar energy when it is dark outside. Even still, without the impact of these 0's, yes, my median approach is more stable and does not rely on normality. Hope this helps.

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Jul 11 2022 09:39 AM

Hi cool2021, I'm no statistician and agree that use of standard deviation (at least for it to be meaningful in it's definition) does require the data to have a normal distribution. I also recall that if you don't know if the data behaves in a normal distribution then showing that the mean, median and mode are all the same is an acceptable indicator (but not a guarantee). I believe median has similar issues and concerns and depends on what you are trying to get. The extreme example is a data set of a bi-stable state so you have 2 spikes of data where the average gives a point in between, potentially impossible or unstable but median gives a point on 1 or the other spike that gives little credence to the bi-state. Basically you must know your data, understand your data, and know what you need.

That all said, I think this is all getting stuck in the nuances as the use of the mean and STD in this case was as a sample indicator not a statistical measure. By that I am not using the STD to prove or disprove a hypothesis. I encourage @Valentinaampuero to use the template I created and use any threshold they wish. I picked one but they could use a 5 and 10 percentile rank or 10 and 20% of max or the median and something... Unless they have or generate additional data about what a true indicator for detecting a bad panel, these numbers and measures are just thumbs in the wind.

I'm sure your template is great and I hope it helps them. I think the 'hurdle' I got them over was how to average the week's worth of date per time slot and per panel.

@Valentinaampuero may you can 'ping' @cool2021 with some questions or tips on statistical details that might help.

That all said, I think this is all getting stuck in the nuances as the use of the mean and STD in this case was as a sample indicator not a statistical measure. By that I am not using the STD to prove or disprove a hypothesis. I encourage @Valentinaampuero to use the template I created and use any threshold they wish. I picked one but they could use a 5 and 10 percentile rank or 10 and 20% of max or the median and something... Unless they have or generate additional data about what a true indicator for detecting a bad panel, these numbers and measures are just thumbs in the wind.

I'm sure your template is great and I hope it helps them. I think the 'hurdle' I got them over was how to average the week's worth of date per time slot and per panel.

@Valentinaampuero may you can 'ping' @cool2021 with some questions or tips on statistical details that might help.

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Jul 11 2022 09:57 AM

If you apply my technique to the raw data without 0s then it will be more robust and easier to operationalize from an IT and reporting perspective. Also, why would you not want to identify specific times of the day (not just overall in a day) when your solar capture is not optimal. I assume objective here is to identify any within day solar capture issues as well as just measuring daily. My template has a VBA-enabled algorithm that would allow a user to click one button and it would sift through every column of the data and identify within day solar capture gaps and patterns of gaps across time (days).

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Jul 11 2022 10:03 AM

That sounds pretty great. Have you looked at the data file I uploaded above? In that file the tab labelled sheet0 is the raw data and I created the dailyAvg tab. I think we might be talking much the same and maybe applying your template to my added tab would be good. Maybe open that file and show me/us how your template works. Thanks for sharing it sounds great.

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Jul 11 2022 10:21 AM

@cool2021 @mtarler Thank you guys for the interest and the help. I now have better tools to solve this problem.

But...

I don't think I was clear enough.

The panels have a mounting system that moves following the trajectory of the sun to take better advantage of the radiation. However, this movement is programmed through the "tracker" system. Due to misconfiguration, there are certain panels that shade each other, which occurs at sunrise and sunset.

That said, I need to find those panels that shadow each other (via the current data) so I can fix the tracking configuration.

Panels that have lower (how much lower?) sunrise and sunset current values should be those that are misconfigured. However, we should not overlook the fact that clouds can pass through and also affect the current values.

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Jul 11 2022 03:09 PM

@Valentinaampuero . I am clear. My process will catch this. Attached is a sample run of the first column of raw data from your original spreadsheet through an early version of the free template example that you downloaded from my site: https://boxplot-outlier-data-analysis-templates.sellfy.store/p/free-findoutlier-boxplot-analysis-tem...

I eliminated the blank cells and 0's in the first column of raw data. And, then I clicked a button in my template that you can not here but can if you download the free template: you see the resulting new column of data (Outlier-Flag) beside your original data. You can now analyze your raw data against this flag to get a sense of each segment difference and how the groupings were made by the algorithm. The flag is based on the median approach to finding outliers but you can see that High or Low segment values in the Outlier-Flag column might be the values you are looking for in records re: the impact of shadows on your solar capture process.

Thanks.

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Jul 13 2022 06:22 AM

@mtarler I believe the core issue is the number of columns in the spreadsheet (8,245 columns to reflect the total number of panels), and not the granularity of the data. Take a look at the attached report after running my Boxplot Analysis process on the first 10 records of both your Daily Average summarized data (DailyAVGOut worksheet tab) and the raw data (RawOUT worksheet tab): you will find that the granular, raw data yields more robust results. The issue, now, is that the dataset must be organized better so that one or two rows of panels (fewer columns) is being analyzed at one time to make the analysis run quicker.

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Jul 13 2022 07:32 AM

@cool2021, your template tool is really great and can be really useful for particular situations, I just don't know if this is one of them. I don't know what you mean by "more robust results". If by that you mean it will show more outlier data points then maybe but I would contend that would be "less robust results". I don't think they want to be distracted by needing to investigate every time a cloud hovered over 1 panel 1 day. The whole point of averaging and filtering and many other data techniques is try and parse out relevant and important information from the noise and the not important information. If your tool is highlighting all the noise and the actual bad data together then is that really "more robust"? To be honest I'm just looking at your output and saying to myself, If I was them, how could I use that output to do what I think they want and I'm just not seeing it helping. In the file I gave above, I averaged the output for each sensor across all the days for each giving timeslot to help filter out the nuances. Then I both highlighted the remaining potential outliers using conditional formatting and did a count of potential outliers for each panel; each based on 2 different thresholds (I used 1sd and 2sd, which is likely not the optimal but as good as any without more data/analysis). So I see this as a tool to help indicate which panels have repeatedly low output throughout the day (e.g. the panel is going bad or obstructed or dirty) and which panels tend to have low output at particular times during the day (e.g. the tracking mechanism isn't optimal or maybe location is shaded by something).

I really don't see what your analysis is doing for them. Also since it is column based I really don't understand what it is going to help because it has a natural trend from low to high back to low. And specifically in this above attached comparison you have 2 "outliers" highlighted and I look at the data and don't see what it is pointing out. That said I would have been really curious to see if you had extended the data set a few more rows to include the 9:00 hour to see what would happen. I'm guessing it may highlight a row there because the 9:15 data seems to have a drop for many of the panels (probably a large cloud). So PLEASE help me understand how to interpret your outputs so i can know when to recommend this useful tool.

I really don't see what your analysis is doing for them. Also since it is column based I really don't understand what it is going to help because it has a natural trend from low to high back to low. And specifically in this above attached comparison you have 2 "outliers" highlighted and I look at the data and don't see what it is pointing out. That said I would have been really curious to see if you had extended the data set a few more rows to include the 9:00 hour to see what would happen. I'm guessing it may highlight a row there because the 9:15 data seems to have a drop for many of the panels (probably a large cloud). So PLEASE help me understand how to interpret your outputs so i can know when to recommend this useful tool.

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Jul 13 2022 08:35 AM

Can't one or a row of solar panels be adjusted to angle more to catch optimal light? Don't know. Repeated, statistically low solar capture is what analysts are looking for and any ways panels can be adjusted to capture. One outlier, two outlier....etc....is not the point. Patterns of outliers (low or high is)....whether that pattern be across solar panels at a point in time or within a solar panel at repeated during the day....peak periods when sunlight strongest, for example. Patterns. Not points. IS the point. And that seems to be the question this poster asked: how can I find panels....rows...individual...that are not capturing optimal sunlight during periods of peak sunlight.