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Windows 11 total meltdown
Two weeks ago I change my SDD to a new one, and reinstall Windows 11 to it. I have been running Windows 11 since it became available, no major issues, a lot of minor issues, event viewer show a lot of kernel even tracing error but more or less it was working ok. Maybe the biggest issue was that the TPM on the Ryzen 5600x was causing a big one second stutter (apparently its a known issue), so I proceed to turn off on Bios the TPM last week. No more big stutters. Yesterday, I installed AMD Ryzen master to use the Auto OC that I have been using under Windows 10 without no problem (under windows 11 the program was carried from windows 10 but doesn't open). Install the program, it requieres to install Microsoft redistributable c++ 2015 (I think so), everything ok. But here start my problems. Tried the OC, no problem, restart. But when I tried to open Autocad, it takes ages to open; something wasn't happening before. Then, Epic Games Launcher can't be open, or take equally lots of time, like 10 minutes (time where the PC doesn't appear to be doing anything). Then I tried to open Event viewer, but it hangs up and crash. Chrome was usable and responsive, Photoshop the same. Then I proceed to restart, same problem. Then I proceed to run SFC scannow on CMD, an it appears to solve the problem with Autocad and Epic Games Launcher (I think that the event viewer problem was exactly the same, no changes), but if I restart it happens again. Checkdisk and repair with CMD, restart, no changes. Same behavior. Then I proceed to repair Windows from the same PC, restart and same behavior, but I can't install Epic Games Launcher, it stuck on verifying install, and do it too slow. Event viewer the same. I tried to install a fresh Windows 11 from a USB pendrive, the same behavior. Everytime I've deleted the preview partition, format and install. Same odd behavior with event viewer and epic games launcher. Finally, I had to download Windows 10 to a usb pen, install fresh and my PC came back to normal. I can install my Epic Games Launcher, my programs (Twinmotion, autocad, etc). Even viewer shows normal.
I don't know what its happening, but Windows 11 has a lot of problems, it's making unusable a $3,000.00 dlls PC.
Aorus Master x570
Ryzen 5600x
Nvidia RTX 3080
NVME 1TB Samsung 980 PRO
64 GB 3200 mhz ram
I don't plan to come back to Windows 11, maybe never. That was the most frustrating 6 hours of my recent life.
11 Replies
- MousefluffIron Contributor
MarshallwarnerAnother one, I had to go into UEFI and disable "above 4G MIMO," due to it being incompatible with Windows 11 based on my firmware revision (which is why I suggested this bootloader setting, it may have changed without you knowing either.) If you reformat and reinstall, you get a new bootloader. There are easier ways to do this though...
"However, Windows https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/bcdedit--set#memory-related-settings when the computer is configured for hot-add memory devices in memory ranges beyond the 4 GB region, as defined by the Static Resource Affinity Table (SRAT). Hot-add memory supports memory devices that you can add without rebooting or turning off the computer."
Of course if your bootloader is corrupted, you can refresh it using this command, but there is a warning that comes with this. It automatically deletes any customizations or other entries (you would have to change the volume letter for the 100MB FAT32 partition reserved for EFI to the letter S via diskpart or another MMC Snap-in, "Disk Management" basically.)
bcdboot C:\Windows /s S: /f UEFI REM -> "BCDBoot Command-Line Options" -> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/bcdboot-command-line-options-techref-di?view=windows-11#command-line-options
Commands like this obviously allow you to view any entries and edit them manually...
bcdedit /v bcdedit /enum bcdedit /enum {current} REM -> "bcdedit" -> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/bcdedit REM -> "4-Gigabyte Tuning: BCDEdit and Boot.ini" -> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/memory/4-gigabyte-tuning REM -> "Bootsect Command-Line Options" -> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/bootsect-command-line-options
- MousefluffIron Contributor
If you have a problem with drivers not installing, it could be your bootloader, not just the driver packages (open the command prompt and try this.)
BCDEDIT /SET {current} BOOTMENUPOLICY LEGACY BCDEDIT /SET {current} MAXPROC TRUE BCDEDIT /SET {current} FORCELEGACYPLATFORM TRUE BCDEDIT /SET {current} NX OPTOUT BCDEDIT /SET {current} PAE DEFAULT BCDEDIT /SET {current} DISABLEELAMDRIVERS TRUE "Boot Parameters to Configure DEP and PAE" -> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/boot-parameters-to-configure-dep-and-pae "BCDEdit Options Reference" -> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/bcd-boot-options-reference "Boot Settings" -> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/bcdedit--set#boot-settings
Most things will install easily after you change the bootloader settings (forcelegacyplatform is the big one, and "elamdrivers" obviously refers to early launch anti-malware, basically Windows Defender. At this point you can configure the registry keys and disable the service if it's a problem, though that's not entry level.)
# COPY the ACL from one key to another (make sure to select a user-created key / service) Get-Acl -Path "HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\dnscrypt-proxy" | Set-Acl -Path "HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WinDefend";
Of course you would still have to change the service configuration and then reboot...
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WinDefend] "ErrorControl"=dword:00000000 "LaunchProtected"=dword:00000000 "Start"=dword:00000004
Which would probably look like this...
Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WinDefend" -Name "ErrorControl" -Value "00000000"; Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WinDefend" -Name "LaunchProtected" -Value "00000000"; Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WinDefend" -Name "Start" -Value "00000004";
NOTE: If this does not work, then you have to go into WinPE and temporarily move these files / folders (this only works in conjunction with disabling early launch anti-malware.) It is safe to say that most people do not use Windows Defender, as the definitions are terrible compared to most AV tools.
"%ProgramFiles%\Windows Defender" "%ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows Defender" "%ProgramFiles(x86)%\Windows Defender" "%ProgramFiles%\Windows Security" "%SystemRoot%\System32\Drivers\wd" "%SystemRoot%\System32\Drivers\wdfilter.sys" "%SystemRoot%\System32\Drivers\WdBoot.sys" "%SystemRoot%\System32\Drivers\WdDevFlt.sys" "%SystemRoot%\System32\Drivers\WdNisDrv.sys"
If you can't find the drivers easily, which the auto-update tool is not useful for most things, then you have to use these websites:
1.) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/overview.html
2.) https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/search/featurefilter.html
3.) https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zoo/category/card-reader-solutions-card-reader-controllers-software
4.) https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zoo/category/network-interface-controllers-10-100-1000m-gigabit-ethernet-pci-express-software
5.) https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zoo/category/pc-audio-codecs-high-definition-audio-codecs-software
6.) Realtek Audio Control -> https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9P2B8MCSVPLN
7.) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/18293/intel-network-adapter-driver-for-windows-10.html
8.) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/19351/windows-10-and-windows-11-wi-fi-drivers-for-intel-wireless-adapters.html
9.) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/18231/intel-proset-wireless-software-and-drivers-for-it-admins.html
10.) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/18649/intel-wireless-bluetooth-for-windows-10-and-windows-11.html
11.) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/16807/intel-wireless-bluetooth-for-it-administrators.html
12.) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000017246/wireless.html
13.) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005773/wireless.html
- enchainedCopper ContributorI bought ASUS TUF F17 (2022) laptop yesterday, got really scared today cause a lot of steam games won't launch, installing drivers and updates didn't help, thought either laptop is defective, or it has something to do with Alder Lake or Windows 11, and there is no official drivers for Win 10 for it. Then Event Viewer didn't launch ang googling helped me realize that it's recent and common, so must be connected to the March updates. I deleted some updates and everything became normal as it should. I think it was this one. There's more info on the issues in the comments https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/t9nesp/march_8_2022kb5011493_os_build_22000556/
I hope I will live to see the day when Microsoft invents proper testing and stop releasing bleeding edge to production.- MarshallwarnerCopper ContributorWe need some kind of solution for this, principally for the people who cannot come back to windows 10.
- Kuroch87Copper ContributorWe'll have to wait for an official update to resolve this issue. As for the newer comments, the problem is related to Microsoft Defender and/or AMD Chipset Drivers. 😞
- EricToh690Copper Contributor
Same, having the exactly same issue. after the yesterday update, PC take long time to start all startup software, event viewer hang around 30minutes and showing error like this
Have read through Reddit, seems like many people are having the same issue as well
- Kuroch87Copper Contributor
EricToh690Yes, today it tooked about 5 minutes to get to the login screen. According to newer reddit comments, the problem is related to Microsoft Defender. The issue has been reported for AMD Ryzen systems only.
- Kuroch87Copper Contributor
MarshallwarnerI have experienced the same problems today in my up to date Ryzen 3500 Windows 11 PC: Event Viewer not loading and Epic Games Launcher opening but staying in background only. Restarted several times and same situation. I thought it was related to a damaged drive.
I just reinstalled Epic Games Launcher. In the first attempt, installation froze at the "Checking update" window. Tried again and it worked. Not sure what happened, as I was using Epic Games Launcher a few hours ago before the problem started.
Now, I'm unable to open Epic Games Launcher. After rebooting, it stays as a background process using only 7,5 MB of RAM. Event viewer and Microsoft Management Console is also freezing and not responding.
- MarshallwarnerCopper Contributor
Kuroch87You are describing the exact same problem I had; believe me, formatting windows 11 again doesn't worked. I tried two times, one with the embedder reset windows, and one with a pen drive. The only thing restore my pc to normal state was going back to windows 10. In every new instalation of Windows 11 event viewer crash, and Epic Games launcher doesn't work normally. Maybe it is a recent windows update, but I don't know, but seems to be a big problem if affects a lot of systems.