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What is the plan for "modern" Document Sets?
- Its too early to put specifics on the roadmap - but we will update document sets. We are not being "classic Microsoft" here - there is a steady stream of requests for docsets (along with other parts of classic ECM) and I've never pretended otherwise. Fear is not part of the plan. I hope to be able to give roadmap updates at SPC or Ignite this year, if that helps.
Good to hear this is not going away as it is one of those elegant things that is just the right solution when it is needed so whether telemetry says it is not used by everyone, those who need and understand it, need it.
Still at least this has a workaround... training for the users and posting stuff to some of the older councillors who are already techophobes and take the view that the experience is too complicated when the world chabges from screen to screen.
Now all I need is a fix from the bug by which a lookup coulmn embedded as Document property in Word returns the item index number not the data in the coumn!. Elsewhere I have another MFST post with "we are aware" but have no ETA type response as though that is good enough ... it's broken, you sold it saying it worked the customer wants to know about fixes. Our service partner has reported that engineering has declined to fix it (showstopper for us as the lookup is a list of committees and every document we issue comes from a committee -we are local government).
Researching I see this was reported as early as 2014 but no update, no news - but the monthly bills for the software come in without fail.
I feel that changes over the past few months for Doc Sets have been a great improvement - much more consistent with modern UI. I have just finished a handful of webcasts for a client and unfortunately have to explain the differerent UI for things like tasks, doc sets, etc., but they don't seem to really notice - SharePoint is new to them so that's just the way it is.
- Julie, can you point me to some of those changes? They look and behave much like they always did.
Thank you Thanks but we just abandonned our plans in the end. Elected Councillors are generally older people with lower IT skills. Many would prefer paper;. as it happens we have persuaded them to accept windows tablets and have some success using email with scqnned attachmenrs. Trying to move them into a sharepoint world whereven the experts have to admit it doesnt work properly (randomly varying UI) bodged word documents etc. would probably bring back arguments to abandon IT in favour of paper.
It's sad that we were nearly done 18 months ago and have been able to make no progress; even sadder that signs of a promised fix haven't even appeared on a roadmap.
My credibility as the IT advocate has been damaged; the idea that we migth offer our solution to the hundreds of other town & parish councils that could benefit from document sets (with connected word templates for collating meeting documents) has complwtely disappeared; a dcoument for each meeting would mean that each document shared metadata such a datenof meeting, committe, clerk etc.
Hi,
Regarding the "minus 1 day" in World Online, it could be explained if the date was been shown as UTC instead of the one in your time zone. It is only my theory, but this is a bug that I have as well in Sweden.--------------
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Sorry. I see now that you had already a conversation with Matt about this.
Did you get some response from Microsoft support or have some workaround? It is painful to have additional Text fields (and update them via t.ex. Webhooks when the source Date field changes) only because of this bug.Thanks
Yes - and we (me & the remote tech from MS yesterday) were wondering about that. I think there is something going on. And whilst we were able to repro on our team site (created some time ago as well - it was classic), we found that when he created a new site in our server the problem didn't happen. I was thinking of adding a date with time column just to check this and I bet there's something going on with timzeones. (This has long been an issue livign in the UK - not foreign enough to have our own versions but far enough away to have differnet time behaviour. I can remember when system Management Server first shipped the despooler always waited 8 hours to install packages on Windows for wokrgroups machines as regardless of timezone, as it thought they were in Seattle. I guess the Word team are better and checking timezones than Word online). I will report back if this proves to be the issue.Out of interest, is your timezone BST? I've seen issues when doing SharePoint development where I've entered a date as, for example, 16/08/2017. This gets stored within the list as 16/08/2017 00:00:00 which is fine for BST. However the underlying timezone is UTC, which means that the date saved is actually 15/08/2017 23:00:00, which is probably why you're getting a discrepancy between the two applications. What the solution is in O365, I unfortunately don't know (yet), other than reverting your site settings to UTC.
Whereas I find that when suddenly presented with a bar full of buttons that appeared on no other screen (most of which don't do anything very useful but can cause serious problems) people press them esepcailly wgen they options they use in every other library are gone.
After nearly 35 years as an IT trainer, I still think that inconsistent UI and unpredictable behaviour is one of the things that makes technology a disappointment to most people - they like to feel they understand something and then when they find they don't it's like being slapped in the face by a friend .c.f the confusion that is teams vs groups vs UI in outlook vs ui in mail, browse library vs files, e-mails to a group address not being visible in the corresponding teams UI, planner appearing and disappearing depending on where you click etc .etc
Today I was helping user who had put a date column as a document property in word - when she viewed the same document in word online the date switched to one day earlier - no idea why but how could this happen?
Julie Sanders wrote:I feel that changes over the past few months for Doc Sets have been a great improvement - much more consistent with modern UI. I have just finished a handful of webcasts for a client and unfortunately have to explain the differerent UI for things like tasks, doc sets, etc., but they don't seem to really notice - SharePoint is new to them so that's just the way it is.
