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Inking on Web Pages - Discussion
We have received a lot of feedback about supporting inking annotations for web pages like what we have in the current version of Microsoft Edge. Many users have told us that they use this functionality as a daily driver and would like to see it in the new version of Microsoft Edge as well. We would like to understand the scenarios in which you would use this functionality. Details about what you use it for, what are the expectations about availability of different tools, saving and sharing options etc. would be extremely useful in making sure we provide the best user experience to you. Your input will help us making sure that the feature works best for you.
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- Put the Customer hat on...
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Approach should be re-evaluated.
IMO, should
1) Build those key features into the new Edge
2) Refine / rebuild or add further features as extensions (you can never please everyone)
Keeping them out just frustrates existing users.
I can't (don't want to) do away with the old version till the new one has these features.
They should have been prioritised from the beginning, and IMO re-prioritised over all else immediately.
Once there, then build in more cool features.
That way, we can all come along the journey in a cohesive manner.
Now, we have fragmentation...
Put the Customer hat on, not just product. The whole point of the surface touchscreen feature and the pen goes away when the ink feature is gone. People will consider mac books more than surface. Even if do not use a surface it was really helpful since you did not have get an extension and you know the data will be safe with Microsoft.
- Surface is very low hardware.
there are Thousands of laptops out there that use touch screen and are far more better than surface laptops or tablets.
Asus Zenbook pro duo is one of them, with Intel Core i9 CPU.
Microsoft made a bad decision using AMD ryzen CPUs.
MSI, Asus, Acer, Dell, Alienware etc, they all make better tablets, laptops, 2-in-ones
Elliot Kirk For me the obvious answer is: collections.
Collections is a killer feature. All kinds of different stuff pertaining to one subject, websites, notes, images, all in one place, and indeed the place you probably want them to be: the browser.
Now, there's a 99.9% chance that, at some point, the relevant thing you need from a website in the collection is just a tiny bit of it, and you want to have a note there to remind you why and how this bit is relevant. Bound to happen. Obvious solution: inking.
- Collections sync only syncs the links to the contents, not the actual contents.
so if they go offline, get deleted, become unavailable for whatever reason on the website you took them from, then you will lose your collection item as well.
it's not like Windows sticky notes or OneNote where you actually upload the content you find on the web, in Collections only the link of the contents get saved and synced between multiple devices.HotCakeX yes, but detail. You can also save images and notes in collections, so the inked page could be saved as a web note in the collection, with the annotated screenshot, plus the link to the actual page.
kaltsoplyn Elliot Kirk josh_bodner
Once again, we go back to a want expressed for Inking or Add notes to actually be in the browser, as it is, already, with Edge HTML. And have it work hand-in-hand with Share & Collections, too. There is good reason Add notes (Inking) & Share icons are on the toolbar side-by-side in Edge HTML.
Cheers,
Drew@kaltsoplyn @Elliot Kirk @josh_bodner
I'm going to be bold enough to sum this all up with the Readers' Digest, nutshell version...
There is no sound argument or valid justification for Inking (Add notes) NOT being in the browser itself. And people use it & want it in the browser.
Should add, there are other Edge (toolbar) Features not to be omitted, as well, but, those have been getting repeated ever since April. Ergo, we, including the Team, know what they (all) are, by now.
Cheers,
Drew
1. I want to be able to export the image as a PNG, instead of having to send it to OneNote. An email export option would also be nice as well.
2. Don't have the page refresh after you exit. It makes it a little frustrating because some of the information may move around once it refreshes. *Thinking about it deeper, that might create more problems than it fixes, but still spitting it out there.
3. Be able to send it where links and buttons are imbedded and can be clicked on to be redirected to their default browser.
cjc2112 Elliot Kirk josh_bodner
"1. I want to be able to export the image as a PNG, instead of having to send it to OneNote. An email export option would also be nice as well."
Elliot, I very much agree with this one! (Whether .png or .jpg) & absolutely E-mail. OR something like this (picture). Oh and it is supposed to be beside & work together with Add notes.
Cheers,
Drew- The share button? it's already here
- Additionally, if online Office apps (such as OneNote) could get access to Windows Ink API through Edge. Right now, I can't use features such as palm rejection, pressure sensitivity and the eraser on my Surface Pen with any websites. Thanks!
- Well, the next version shouldn't have any missing feature from the current one anyway, regardless the core's change.
This thread has wandered a little bit. The focus of this thread was to better understand how you, our Insiders, use Inking on web pages. As we continue along the journey with this new Microsoft Edge browser, we have the opportunity to better understand the needs of our customers and how they are met in the current version of Microsoft Edge. As we think about bringing these features over to this new version, we want to take our time and thoroughly investigate the needs that these features are trying to fulfill, and if there are possibly better ways of fulfilling those needs. The best way to help with this process is by helping us understand how you have been using the features that we are discussing, especially what problems you rely on the features to solve, how often you find your self using the feature, any problems that you have encountered when using the features in the past, changes that you wish we would have made to the feature, or additions you have hoped that we would provide.
- Thank you, that sounds good!
Elliot Kirk
Elliot, soliciting heaps (more) discussion about this is an unnecessary waste of time. Add notes MUST BE KEPT in Edge, period. Countless people have said more than enough, already, to make it clear discussion is not needed... the Feature IS! And, BTW, it works WITH Share that needs to be on the toolbar, where it belongs & is supposed to be BESIDE Add notes!
Keeping current Edge Features should be a given! Let's spend time & effort on things and soliciting response to things that, actually, need the thought & work from the Team & Insiders. These Edge Features that people have been yelling about since April, they need to be done not, discussed... now, it is repetition. We should not have to keep repeating or re-explaining (the obvious).
Cheers,
Drew- Spoiler
Drew1903 wrote:
soliciting heaps (more) discussion about this is an unnecessary waste of time. Add notes MUST BE KEPT in Edge, period. Countless people have said more than enough, already, to make it clear discussion is not needed... the Feature IS! And, BTW, it works WITH Share that needs to be on the toolbar, where it belongs & is supposed to be BESIDE Add notes!
Keeping current Edge Features should be a given! Let's spend time & effort on things and soliciting response to things that, actually, need the thought & work from the Team & Insiders. These Edge Features that people have been yelling about since April, they need to be done not, discussed... now, it is repetition. We should not have to keep repeating or re-explaining (the obvious).It's not a waste of time.
maybe read the first post the developers wrote:
"We would like to understand the scenarios in which you would use this functionality. Details about what you use it for, what are the expectations about availability of different tools, saving and sharing options etc. would be extremely useful in making sure we provide the best user experience to you. Your input will help us making sure that the feature works best for you. "
Elliot Kirk without webnotes/inking I am unable to send my husband helpful notes regarding purchases. I am also unable to quickly send articles that offer advice on he can improve himself with the relevant paragraphs in tricolor highlight.
I also use it all the time for research for our small business.
Essential use of inking
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white_rabbit wrote:without webnotes/inking I am unable to send my husband helpful notes regarding purchases. I am also unable to quickly send articles that offer advice on he can improve himself with the relevant paragraphs in tricolor highlight.
I also use it all the time for research for our small business.
Essential use of inking
Those are nice use cases,
cheers!
white_rabbit
The point here obviously shared strongly by countless people is not about specifics such as Add notes, ePub, Reading List, the (Proper) Favs icon, Set Aside, Share (where it belongs!) and more... it is about Edge CONTINUING to be the browser it is, NOW. Continuing to have the Features and Functionality (Things working together) that Edge has, NOW! Not as now vs won't have or should have, might have or coming soon or any such rubbish! Just plain THERE, past, present AND future. Leave what people know, like & use, alone! The stuff in question is what makes Edge special AND makes people want to use it.
To the Edge Team:
Do not shoot yourself in the foot by giving people less that what they are clearly, loudly telling you they want and what MUST BE KEPT!
Listen & act accordingly before Jan. 15th, 2020
HEAR the people! You can make the browser have the best performing platform in the world... go nuts under the covers, BUT, End Users & YOUR CUSTOMERS want the status quo when it comes to Edge Features & Functionality! You can add to THAT not, subtract from it!
Cheers,
Drew- Spoiler
Drew1903 wrote:
The point here obviously shared strongly by countless people is not about specifics such as Add notes, ePub, Reading List, the (Proper) Favs icon, Set Aside, Share (where it belongs!) and more... it is about Edge CONTINUING to be the browser it is, NOW. Continuing to have the Features and Functionality (Things working together) that Edge has, NOW! Not as now vs won't have or should have, might have or coming soon or any such rubbish! Just plain THERE, past, present AND future. Leave what people know, like & use, alone! The stuff in question is what makes Edge special AND makes people want to use it.
To the Edge Team:
Do not shoot yourself in the foot by giving people less that what they are clearly, loudly telling you they want and what MUST BE KEPT!
Listen & act accordingly before Jan. 15th, 2020
HEAR the people! You can make the browser have the best performing platform in the world... go nuts under the covers, BUT, End Users & YOUR CUSTOMERS want the status quo when it comes to Edge Features & Functionality! You can add to THAT not, subtract from it!Well this topic asked us to provide use cases so people are doing exactly that, Devs are asking for more info about how people are using the tools.
- For once, you should just add ALL the Classic Edge features. Then, you may ask if we customers want OTHER features. It's unacceptable than a year later there are still so many features that Classic E.dge had and you're not even considering adding them to the new version.
FedeDiLo wrote:
For once, you should just add ALL the Classic Edge features. Then, you may ask if we customers want OTHER features. It's unacceptable than a year later there are still so many features that Classic E.dge had and you're not even considering adding them to the new version.How are they not considering it? the whole point of creating this topic is to consider it and receive feedbacks from users (us) to see if they can improve anything on top of what Edge classic already has.
- They're considering the inking capabilities now, but there are other features which are not going to be added. Like the capability of opening epubs, that with the grammar tools, Cortana, the integrated dictionary and the reading-aloud feature, made Classic Edge the best epub reader on windows.
If you remove this feature from classic Edge (why not just leaving it there?) you may consider adding it to the new Edge. I'm not a software engineer, I'm a humble mechanical engineer, but I don't think opening epubs must be soooo difficult to implement.
There is a discussion with many many likes, it's not just me who wants it. And it's not even under review, they ignored this request.
