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Paragon06
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Sep 13, 2022

Defender365 Alerts for high volume file deletion

All of a sudden we're getting large volumes of alerts from Defender for unusual volume of file deletions. We seldom get these and when we do it has previously turned out to be a user clearing old fil...
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Leo_Lopez
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Nov 10, 2022
Did anyone else stop getting these alerts since 11/8? Looked in our Purview portal, and the alert policy isn't there anymore.
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Hussayn
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Nov 22, 2022
Interesting you mention this, I sitll have a MS ticket open, they asked me to check it again, I reenabled this rule I beleive on 7th Nov, then MS asked whats the status of the rule, I went to check and I thought I was going crazy as it was not there on the 8th.

I was informed yesterday 21st Nov that it was deleted by MS, however I assumed it was just in my tenant and that was infuriating, however it seems you have the same, no rule. This is extremly frustrating that they would simply delete the rule without giving notification. These 1st line guys from MS said it wsa done because my origional issues was getting too many alerts... Jokers.

What I would say is they did come back to me before the 7th and say MS had adjusted the algorithm which was too agresive, then they changed it agian, but I only got 1 alert email between 7th and 8th.
I was also informed by on of their 1st line guys that they may soon remove this alerting rule and we would need to create one in its place manually, but I was not expecting it to be deleted straight away.

Today they said they will check why it was deleted and get it added back in
Lets see what these jokers come back with tomorrow.
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    Leo_Lopez
    Copper Contributor
    Nov 22, 2022

    I was also informed my MS support that the policy is "...in the process of being deprecated based on customer feedback..." Then, I was told I can just recreate the policy myself. :unamused:

    • Hussayn's avatar
      Hussayn
      Copper Contributor
      Nov 24, 2022

      Hahh, I just spotted this MC447684 which explains but tbh I dont recall being asked or giving any feedback to say I want to remove this old rule - do any of you?
      It took these MS support people 6 weeks of this case being open to corrolate this. I wish they would have pointed me to this when I opened the case.
      I'm 100% :unamused:. Thanks Microsoft

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All of a sudden we're getting large volumes of alerts from Defender for unusual volume of file deletions. We seldom get these and when we do it has previously turned out to be a user clearing old files etc. But these alerts now are mostly for the app-data folder and and now today some from C:/temp.

 

The thing that has me questioning is the items deleted and the apps involved. For example, most deleted items seem to be from the appdata folder, but for Microsoft.Windows.Search_cw5n1h2txyewy and some of the files are named things like Photo, but they are json files.

 

Second thing that has me questioning is the applications involved, which a few are from taskhostw.exe which im worried is being used to setup some sort of persistent access. 

 

Has anyone else been experiencing these unusual volume of alerts? Wondering if its due to some sort of windows update or a bug in defender. 

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All of a sudden we're getting large volumes of alerts from Defender for unusual volume of file deletions. We seldom get these and when we do it has previously turned out to be a user clearing old files etc. But these alerts now are mostly for the app-data folder and and now today some from C:/temp.

 

The thing that has me questioning is the items deleted and the apps involved. For example, most deleted items seem to be from the appdata folder, but for Microsoft.Windows.Search_cw5n1h2txyewy and some of the files are named things like Photo, but they are json files.

 

Second thing that has me questioning is the applications involved, which a few are from taskhostw.exe which im worried is being used to setup some sort of persistent access. 

 

Has anyone else been experiencing these unusual volume of alerts? Wondering if its due to some sort of windows update or a bug in defender. 

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I was informed yesterday 21st Nov that it was deleted by MS, however I assumed it was just in my tenant and that was infuriating, however it seems you have the same, no rule. This is extremly frustrating that they would simply delete the rule without giving notification. These 1st line guys from MS said it wsa done because my origional issues was getting too many alerts... Jokers.

What I would say is they did come back to me before the 7th and say MS had adjusted the algorithm which was too agresive, then they changed it agian, but I only got 1 alert email between 7th and 8th.
I was also informed by on of their 1st line guys that they may soon remove this alerting rule and we would need to create one in its place manually, but I was not expecting it to be deleted straight away.

Today they said they will check why it was deleted and get it added back in
Lets see what these jokers come back with tomorrow.","body@stringLength":"1221","rawBody":"Interesting you mention this, I sitll have a MS ticket open, they asked me to check it again, I reenabled this rule I beleive on 7th Nov, then MS asked whats the status of the rule, I went to check and I thought I was going crazy as it was not there on the 8th.

I was informed yesterday 21st Nov that it was deleted by MS, however I assumed it was just in my tenant and that was infuriating, however it seems you have the same, no rule. This is extremly frustrating that they would simply delete the rule without giving notification. These 1st line guys from MS said it wsa done because my origional issues was getting too many alerts... Jokers.

What I would say is they did come back to me before the 7th and say MS had adjusted the algorithm which was too agresive, then they changed it agian, but I only got 1 alert email between 7th and 8th.
I was also informed by on of their 1st line guys that they may soon remove this alerting rule and we would need to create one in its place manually, but I was not expecting it to be deleted straight away.

Today they said they will check why it was deleted and get it added back in
Lets see what these jokers come back with 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I was also informed my MS support that the policy is \"...in the process of being deprecated based on customer feedback...\" Then, I was told I can just recreate the policy myself. \":unamused:\"

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Hahh, I just spotted this MC447684 which explains but tbh I dont recall being asked or giving any feedback to say I want to remove this old rule - do any of you?
It took these MS support people 6 weeks of this case being open to corrolate this. I wish they would have pointed me to this when I opened the case.
I'm 100% \":unamused:\". Thanks Microsoft

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