I think as I understand it Flow is the next evolution of SharePoint Designer Workflows? I have yet to have time to really dive into Flow, but in order to consider eventually upgrading solutions a...
Does SPD really have a place moving forward? It's still supported, but it's not gaining capabilities for building workflows for O365 Group documents, Planner, or any other O365 service. It would be a shame if we need to use two different workflow engines in a single solution due to the limitations of each.
With the sheer number of solutions that have been built on it, Microsoft would rue the day if they ever "removed" SPD workflows from SharePoint without accounting for all of the legacy functionality (which is my fear).
But you are right, with no more evolving capabilities, it has led us to supplement with tools like Nintex Workflows.
I think it definitely has a place though, I am still building new solutions in Designer almost every day.
I agree it's not going away. SPD will be supported for years. I just assume that over time we'll be building more and more workflows via flow. I don't see a scenario of using flow for end user workflows and designer for IT developed workflows. We're just starting to enter a transition phase at the moment, but I assume the large percentage of workflows will be built in Flow in the not too distant future.
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I think as I understand it Flow is the next evolution of SharePoint Designer Workflows?
I have yet to have time to really dive into Flow, but in order to consider eventually upgrading solutions away from Designer, there are a few critical features that I would be looking for:
Call HTTPS Web Service
Variable types like Dictionarys
Item-Level Permissions
App-Level / Impersonation Steps
Workflow Level Logging
Can anyone speak to these capabilities being part of the tool?
I think as I understand it Flow is the next evolution of SharePoint Designer Workflows?
I have yet to have time to really dive into Flow, but in order to consider eventually upgrading solutions away from Designer, there are a few critical features that I would be looking for:
Call HTTPS Web Service
Variable types like Dictionarys
Item-Level Permissions
App-Level / Impersonation Steps
Workflow Level Logging
Can anyone speak to these capabilities being part of the tool?
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With the sheer number of solutions that have been built on it, Microsoft would rue the day if they ever \"removed\" SPD workflows from SharePoint without accounting for all of the legacy functionality (which is my fear).
But you are right, with no more evolving capabilities, it has led us to supplement with tools like Nintex Workflows.
I think it definitely has a place though, I am still building new solutions in Designer almost every day.
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With the sheer number of solutions that have been built on it, Microsoft would rue the day if they ever \"removed\" SPD workflows from SharePoint without accounting for all of the legacy functionality (which is my fear).
But you are right, with no more evolving capabilities, it has led us to supplement with tools like Nintex Workflows.
I think it definitely has a place though, I am still building new solutions in Designer almost every day.
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In addition to Michael's response, Flow is a new workflow tool that enables business users (through browser or mobile app) to create automation to receive notifications, synchronize files, and get data between your apps and services (twitter, dropbox, salesforce as well as SharePoint, OneDrive For Business and more), be it on premise or in the cloud.
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It would be a shame if we need to use two different workflow engines in a single solution due to the limitations of each.","author":{"__ref":"User:user:3734"},"isEscalated":null,"postTime":"2016-07-21T08:47:40.811-07:00","parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:2731"},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"repliesCount":2},"Revision:revision:2742_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:2742_1","lastEditTime":"2016-07-21T08:50:53.867-07:00"},"QueryVariables:ReplyList:message:2742:1":{"__typename":"QueryVariables","id":"ReplyList:message:2742:1","value":{"id":"message:2742","first":10,"sorts":{"postTime":{"direction":"DESC"}},"repliesFirst":3,"repliesFirstDepthThree":1,"repliesSorts":{"postTime":{"direction":"DESC"}},"useAvatar":true,"useAuthorLogin":true,"useAuthorRank":true,"useBody":true,"useKudosCount":true,"useTimeToRead":false,"useMedia":false,"useReadOnlyIcon":false,"useRepliesCount":true,"useSearchSnippet":false,"useAcceptedSolutionButton":true,"useSolvedBadge":false,"useAttachments":false,"attachmentsFirst":5,"useTags":false,"useNodeAncestors":false,"useUserHoverCard":false,"useNodeHoverCard":false,"useModerationStatus":true,"usePreviewSubjectModal":false,"useMessageStatus":true}},"ROOT_MUTATION":{"__typename":"Mutation"},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserAvatar-1744658876063":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserAvatar-1744658876063","value":{"altText":"{login}'s avatar","altTextGeneric":"User's avatar"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/ranks/UserRankLabel-1744658876063":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/ranks/UserRankLabel-1744658876063","value":{"altTitle":"Icon for {rankName} rank"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/AcceptedSolutionButton-1744658876063":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/AcceptedSolutionButton-1744658876063","value":{"accept":"Mark as Solution","accepted":"Marked as Solution","errorHeader":"Error!","errorAdd":"There was an error marking as solution.","errorRemove":"There was an error unmarking as solution.","solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/ThreadedReplyList-1744658876063":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/ThreadedReplyList-1744658876063","value":{"title":"{count, plural, one{# Reply} other{# Replies}}","title@board:BLOG":"{count, plural, one{# Comment} other{# Comments}}","title@board:TKB":"{count, plural, one{# Comment} other{# Comments}}","title@board:IDEA":"{count, plural, one{# Comment} other{# Comments}}","title@board:OCCASION":"{count, plural, one{# Comment} other{# Comments}}","noRepliesTitle":"No Replies","noRepliesTitle@board:BLOG":"No Comments","noRepliesTitle@board:TKB":"No Comments","noRepliesTitle@board:IDEA":"No Comments","noRepliesTitle@board:OCCASION":"No Comments","noRepliesDescription":"Be the first to reply","noRepliesDescription@board:BLOG":"Be the first to comment","noRepliesDescription@board:TKB":"Be the first to comment","noRepliesDescription@board:IDEA":"Be the first to comment","noRepliesDescription@board:OCCASION":"Be the first to comment","messageReadOnlyAlert:BLOG":"Comments have been turned off for this post","messageReadOnlyAlert:TKB":"Comments have been turned off for this article","messageReadOnlyAlert:IDEA":"Comments have been turned off for this idea","messageReadOnlyAlert:FORUM":"Replies have been turned off for this discussion","messageReadOnlyAlert:OCCASION":"Comments have been turned off for this event"},"localOverride":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2802":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2802","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2802":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:3734"},"id":"message:2802","revisionNum":1,"uid":2802,"depth":4,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:PowerAppFlow"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:2742"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2490"},"subject":"Re: Capabilities of Flow (as compared to SP Designer)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2802"},"body":"I agree it's not going away. SPD will be supported for years. I just assume that over time we'll be building more and more workflows via flow. I don't see a scenario of using flow for end user workflows and designer for IT developed workflows. We're just starting to enter a transition phase at the moment, but I assume the large percentage of workflows will be built in Flow in the not too distant future.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-07-21T09:58:58.961-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-07-21T09:58:58.961-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":7659},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:Content_Management/category:products-services/category:communities/community:gxcuf89792board:PowerAppFlow/message:2490/message:2802","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/tags/TagView/TagViewChip-1744658876063":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/tags/TagView/TagViewChip-1744658876063","value":{"tagLabelName":"Tag name {tagName}"},"localOverride":false}}}},"page":"/forums/ForumMessagePage/ForumMessagePage","query":{"boardId":"powerappflow","messageSubject":"capabilities-of-flow-as-compared-to-sp-designer","messageId":"2490","replyId":"2742"},"buildId":"HEhyUrv5OXNBIbfCLaOrw","runtimeConfig":{"buildInformationVisible":false,"logLevelApp":"info","logLevelMetrics":"info","openTelemetryClientEnabled":false,"openTelemetryConfigName":"o365","openTelemetryServiceVersion":"25.1.0","openTelemetryUniverse":"prod","openTelemetryCollector":"http://localhost:4318","openTelemetryRouteChangeAllowedTime":"5000","apolloDevToolsEnabled":false,"inboxMuteWipFeatureEnabled":false},"isFallback":false,"isExperimentalCompile":false,"dynamicIds":["./components/seo/QAPageSchema/QAPageSchema.tsx","./components/community/Navbar/NavbarWidget.tsx","./components/community/Breadcrumb/BreadcrumbWidget.tsx","./components/customComponent/CustomComponent/CustomComponent.tsx","./components/messages/TopicWithThreadedReplyListWidget/TopicWithThreadedReplyListWidget.tsx","./components/external/components/ExternalComponent.tsx","./components/messages/MessageView/MessageViewStandard/MessageViewStandard.tsx","../shared/client/components/common/List/UnwrappedList/UnwrappedList.tsx","./components/tags/TagView/TagView.tsx","./components/tags/TagView/TagViewChip/TagViewChip.tsx","../shared/client/components/common/List/UnstyledList/UnstyledList.tsx","./components/messages/MessageView/MessageView.tsx"],"appGip":true,"scriptLoader":[{"id":"analytics","src":"https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/s/gxcuf89792/pagescripts/1730819800000/analytics.js?page.id=ForumReplyPage&entity.id=board%3Apowerappflow&entity.id=message%3A2742","strategy":"afterInteractive"}]}
