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Is it possible to confirm a new client is on NCE or Legacy?
- Aug 04, 2023
Hi Eric_Coffman
I do not believe the customer's Microsoft 365 Admin center identifies whether a subscription is legacy or NCE. This is only determined by the provisioning mechanism the partner used.
When the license subscription appears in the admin center only the resultant product details are visible and a SKUPartNumber is used by Microsoft. For example, Azure AD P1 whether legacy or NCE is the same product as far as Microsoft and the customer's tenant is concerned, it is just billed differently.
Here is an extract from an API call that gets the subscribed SKU's for a customer tenant. This is an NCE subscription because we provided it, but from this you would not know if legacy or NCE.
"items": [
{
"availableUnits": 0,
"activeUnits": 0,
"consumedUnits": 0,
"suspendedUnits": 1,
"totalUnits": 0,
"warningUnits": 0,
"productSku": {
"id": "078d2b04-f1bd-4111-bbd4-b4b1b354cef4",
"name": "Azure Active Directory Premium P1",
"skuPartNumber": "AAD_PREMIUM",As far as I know, the only way to know is to ask the partner who provided the subscriptions. Hopefully they are honest or can provide a screenshot from Partner Centre.
Unfortunately, the subscription ID's for both legacy and NCE are not noticeably different when looking at them. Unless there is any insight into some way to tell them apart, I don't know if I will be able to.
I have compared the subscription ID from the client tenant that may have legacy subscriptions that purchases direct against a client that I am currently the indirect provider for that I know has NCE subscriptions.
I can probably get the offer ID for the client I am the Indirect Reseller for. Are you able to tell me how I can find the offer ID of the client that purchases directly?
Hi Eric_Coffman
I do not believe the customer's Microsoft 365 Admin center identifies whether a subscription is legacy or NCE. This is only determined by the provisioning mechanism the partner used.
When the license subscription appears in the admin center only the resultant product details are visible and a SKUPartNumber is used by Microsoft. For example, Azure AD P1 whether legacy or NCE is the same product as far as Microsoft and the customer's tenant is concerned, it is just billed differently.
Here is an extract from an API call that gets the subscribed SKU's for a customer tenant. This is an NCE subscription because we provided it, but from this you would not know if legacy or NCE.
"items": [
{
"availableUnits": 0,
"activeUnits": 0,
"consumedUnits": 0,
"suspendedUnits": 1,
"totalUnits": 0,
"warningUnits": 0,
"productSku": {
"id": "078d2b04-f1bd-4111-bbd4-b4b1b354cef4",
"name": "Azure Active Directory Premium P1",
"skuPartNumber": "AAD_PREMIUM",
As far as I know, the only way to know is to ask the partner who provided the subscriptions. Hopefully they are honest or can provide a screenshot from Partner Centre.
- Eric_CoffmanAug 04, 2023Brass Contributor
Nick_Beacroft Thanks!
I actually did something similar except via the PartnerCenter module in Powershell.I connected to my partner center and used Get-PartnerCustomer to retrieve the list of Customer ID's.
Once I located the customer ID I needed, I used Get-PartnerCustomerSubscribedSku -CustomerID <entercustomerIDhere> and It returned all of the info in the example seen below:
AvailableUnits : 0
ActiveUnits : 6
CapabilityStatus : Enabled
ConsumedUnits : 6
LicenseGroupId : Group1
ProductName : Microsoft 365 Audio Conferencing
ServicePlans : {}
SkuId : 0c266dff-15dd-4b49-8397-2bb16070ed52
SkuPartNumber : MCOMEETADV
SuspendedUnits : 0
TargetType : User
TotalUnits : 6
WarningUnits : 0
While the SkuId was not in the NCE format that LicensingConcierge1 provided above, I was not going to bank on it being a legacy sku.
I downloaded the Legacy Cloud Resell Matrix and the NCE Cloud Resell Matrix from the Partner Center.
I did not find the SkuId for our customers Audio Conferencing subscription in the Legacy Cloud Resell Matrix file even though that is the format that it was suggested to be in.
Instead I found that the info from the NCE Cloud Resell Matrix matched.
ProvisioningString = SkuPartNumber : MCOMEETADV
ProvisioningId = SkuId : 0c266dff-15dd-4b49-8397-2bb16070ed52
ProductId: CFQ7TTC0LHSL (NCE format)!
So I was able to determine if the current subscription type was legacy or NCE!
I wish there was uniformity in what naming across what is pulled from partner center and where the same information is found elsewhere. If only for the sake of sanity.
Thanks to both of you!- Nick_BeacroftAug 07, 2023Steel ContributorI was interested in your thoughts and findings on this, and I have a customer with both legacy and NCE I could use as a test.
This D365 BC Essential subscription I know is legacy.
Offer ID = 1A90EE13-2CB4-4785-BB0F-542813F00A37
I get from the subscribedsku API the provisioning ID which does match the product in the NCE offer matrix, but it is not an NCE subscription.
"productSku": {
"id": "2880026b-2b0c-4251-8656-5d41ff11e3aa",
"name": "Dynamics 365 Business Central Essential",
"skuPartNumber": "DYN365_BUSCENTRAL_ESSENTIAL",
As I thought. The provisioned ID or skuPartNumber cannot be used to determine if a subscription is legacy or NCE.- Eric_CoffmanAug 07, 2023Brass Contributor
Nick_Beacroft in the Legacy License Offer Matrix the "Provisioning ID" does not equal "ProvisioningID" in the NCE License Offer Matrix. The information provided under those headers for each offer matrix are totally different. "Durable Offer ID" in the Legacy License Offer Matrix would be the equivalent of the "ProvisioningID" in the NCE License Offer Matrix.
So based on your API results:
"productSku": {
"id": "2880026b-2b0c-4251-8656-5d41ff11e3aa",
"name": "Dynamics 365 Business Central Essential",
"skuPartNumber": "DYN365_BUSCENTRAL_ESSENTIAL",
You would have to compare the "productSku":{ "id": "2880026b-2b0c-4251-8656-5d41ff11e3aa" to the "Durable Offer ID" in the Legacy License Offer Matrix and the "ProvisioningID" in the NCE Offer Matrix.
Interestingly enough, I found the ID 2880026b-2b0c-4251-8656-5d41ff11e3aa was only found in the NCE offer and not the legacy offer matrix.
Legacy
NCE
- LicensingConcierge1Aug 04, 2023Microsoft
Hi Eric_Coffman
I'm happy to see that the information in my previous reply:
was helpful to you, since you said that you downloaded the Cloud Reseller Matrix for Legacy & NCE.
If this reply answers your question, please Accept as the solution to help the other members find it more quickly. Otherwise, please let me know if you need further assistance on this topic.
Regards,Microsoft CSP Licensing Concierge