This post was in 2021 and things have or may have moved on since then and I'm wondering if there is an easier way to achieve the following.
The Corkscrew. I have seen a number of addins and other 5G functions which do far more than I want. I'm basically looking for a way to break the circularity in a corkscrew and it seems that if I can calculate the top row ie typically the opening balance without referring to the closing balance then all would be good.
To add complexity I’m trying to fuse the actuals and forecasts in this single function. I have flags to determine the actuals and can use NOT actuals to get the forecasts (same flags) and can pic up the actual opening balance from the source data easily. As I will calculate all time periods for both I can then just add them (as actuals will be multiplied by the Actual flag and thus zero for forecast periods and vice versa for the forecasts. So I just need to calculate the forecast period which will be the same for the entire array block. The key is. getting the previous value. (for the inflows and outflows as they are already calculated I can just shift their arrays forward I col but adding a column in front to get the previous value so that is easy.
I can then get the closing balance by adding the inflows and outflows that would fall in the middle of the corkscrew to this previous value to simulate an opening balance. The inflows and outflows can then be added easily and the closing balance simply summed. So all the clever work would go in the opening balance.
The added complexity I have is that I am doing a multi row version. ie there are ‘currently’ 3 entities all with opening balances, all with inflows and outflows and closing balances. I want to calculate these in blocks of these entities – 1 row per entity but in a single dynamic array. But the corkscrew will be made up of 4 dynamic arrays – opening bal, inflows, outflows and closing.
If someone has a better logic here then do let me know. I saw Jeff Robsons one from a few years back using sumifs for the middle bit. But again, I want to do these in separate blocks which does add a layer of complexity. The reason is that I can ( have) modelled with multiple entities together rather than separately which means one just needs to extend the blocks (VBA to the rescue as there will be a good number of them) as required and inputs can just be assigned to the respective entity (often locations around the world might just be a tiny rep office with hardly anything going on so no need for a fully blown model but can be detailed separately. I also have the ability to enable or disable entities so they are included or excluded from the calcs.
SO back to the problem, Model attached. Blue cells mark the dynamic array function for the block. The inflows and outflows will come from other dynamic arrays. But this idea means that one can expand the middle if the top/bottom are taken care of with regard to the circularity.
I’m trying to get something easy to implement ideally in a single function (with or without LET)
I really don't understand your question, but I have some sense for the area.
I've made some other complicated posts that touch on this topic, so if you are up for some reading, you can take a look at my serialization to preserve state function which is aimed primarily at reducing the computational demands for independent formulas. If you are happy to have just a single dynamic formula that rolls forward in time, everything comes down to structure.
Basically, you are aggregating data which consists of a few parts - an opening balance, inflows, outflows, and closing balance. What gives you freedom to inject complicated logic for how to change the inflows and outflows is making sure that your data is segregated both from your presentation and your calculations. The primary way that I do that is by having an excel table (ie "list object") that has amounts kept more or less as absolute values in a single column with another column that indicates whether the value is an inflow or outflow for the current purpose. So something like ctrl, date, acct, amt, flow.
I left you with the ability to add an optional filter mask for the transactions so that you can adjust the function relatively easily.
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Just realised I've been a bit of a bozo. I modeled my corkscrew on the calcs for Trade Debtors & Creditors where the middle sections are pre-calculated and nothing to do with the corkscrew. The corkscrew is just to get the output to feed into the balance sheet. BUT..
There is another type in play whereby the corkscrew is used to get the payment amount. eg VAT
Usually one would use the opening balance in the month of payment due (using flags) and negate it. So then a mid section becomes dependent on an opening and closing balance. I was a bit taken aback when I hit the first circularity that it blurred my mind to the other situations
Have I missed the point in the two calcs one for opening and one for closing balances? I just used opening as closing could just be a standard addition. Should I be using both as just opening works for trade debtors and even if I use both, the VAT payment still results in circularity. I'm probably being really dumb but I can't see an easy way around this.
I tried using a variation of the opening balance scan solution but need to reset based on the vat payment period - currently in an array of flags. But I can't integrate that reset into the scan function. I like that concept of the flags especially for things like payment periods. Again not sure how to tackle this. Much prefer to keep the corkscrew in separate components for flexibility but can abandon this if a better way. I think this would then wrap up the corkscrew issue
You mention 'keeping corkscrews in separate components'. For me the corkscrew has no particular significance; it is simply a presentational device used to support hand calculation in much the same way that numbers used to be laid out for 'long division' in the days when that was a thing.
I the physical world of engineering quantities that I am used to such quantities the balances are simply the indefinite integral of the flows; conversely one differentiates the balances to return to the flows. In discrete models the quantities become accumulations over time and, the reverse, differences per period. No artistic layout is required; the quantities simply are what they are defined to be.
My recollection is that MMULT used with an upper triangular matrix can be remarkably efficient with SCAN only outperforming it for very large problems.
On a separate issue, I used your IF({1}, ...) broadcast formula recently to build a 2D array of FIFO results to cover multiple companies and products. The alternative would have been to introduce the additional dimensions as separate nested steps but broadcasting allowed me to introduce the 2D array of 2D arrays with a single application of MAP, plus a sprinkling of thunks.
I suspect that to try to combine 'actuals' (which feed into and sit alongside assumptions) with forecasts is to introduce self-inflicted damage. By all means bring them together at the end by using HSTACK, as part of the presentation layer, but I wouldn't try to combine the calculations.
A further observation on my approach to the 'array of array' problem (hopefully a temporary problem, but who knows). My objective is to create 'universal' approaches that work as the Microsoft helper functions should have worked, and with the computational tricks hidden from the user. I have also tried to avoid methods that are specific to a particular class of problem. As an example, it is easier to find approaches for summation, but if multiplication also enters the picture (as for interest payment or other growth assumptions) the problem becomes harder and it can be a case of 'back to the drawing board'!
Please accept my apologies for inflicting my thoughts and opinions on you somewhat uninvited!
I played around with the options for integrating actuals with forecasts and tweaked my original thought process of having another input to the corkscrew of the actual closing balances. Initially I thought this would be straightforward but of course was wrong. What I ended up doing was to feed in the delta of the closing balances and as actuals would only have values in historic periods and forecasts only have values in forecast periods (due to the flags) it worked out well. This way I can just feed the entire closing balance into the Balance sheet with no further logic.
The basic strategy is to start of by calculating closing balances using SCAN. The catch here is that you are accumulating arrays rather than scalars, so SCAN needs to be fooled by passing it a thunk vector. The problem of evaluating the resulting thunk array is not trivial. Opening balances follow by offsetting the closing balances by one period. Once you have the opening balances, the rest of the model follows as one simple array calculation.
In some situations, like a revolver, you may know how that you are only accumulating two interacting rows of data and it may be better to use two passes of MAP to evaluate debt and cash rows individually.
Great. An entire collection. I used the first scan one. I have GroupBy but many don't yet have it but good to start getting some experience with it. The first Scan one is nice and simple to implement and doesn't require any named functions to be created. The second is probably more sophisticated but it can be easier for users not to have named functions unless they are quite simple. I find editing them still a bit of a pain even with the Excel labs editor. SO I tend to write functions using LET and then wrap in lambda and keep an original with indentation etc for easy reading. But there are probably better ways. I was also not surprised when you added the MMULT. You are a master with those and they are so slick and fast. I've deployed both in the model and will decide later which to keep. Many thanks again for the neat and succinct solution.
PS I meant to add. I just used the Scan function for the Opening Balances as the closing could just be a sum of each part. I deliberately wanted to keep each section separate for added flexibility so I can model in multiple different ways but with the same component parts. Some corkscrews may have 5 or 6 middle sections so this way the function can just be tweaked to accommodate these especially if each block is just a single cell ref with a #.
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I'm starting a new topic but do want to refer to PeterBartholomew1 post on accumulators here
This post was in 2021 and things have or may have moved on since then and I'm wondering if there is an easier way to achieve the following.
The Corkscrew. I have seen a number of addins and other 5G functions which do far more than I want. I'm basically looking for a way to break the circularity in a corkscrew and it seems that if I can calculate the top row ie typically the opening balance without referring to the closing balance then all would be good.
To add complexity I’m trying to fuse the actuals and forecasts in this single function. I have flags to determine the actuals and can use NOT actuals to get the forecasts (same flags) and can pic up the actual opening balance from the source data easily. As I will calculate all time periods for both I can then just add them (as actuals will be multiplied by the Actual flag and thus zero for forecast periods and vice versa for the forecasts. So I just need to calculate the forecast period which will be the same for the entire array block. The key is. getting the previous value. (for the inflows and outflows as they are already calculated I can just shift their arrays forward I col but adding a column in front to get the previous value so that is easy.
I can then get the closing balance by adding the inflows and outflows that would fall in the middle of the corkscrew to this previous value to simulate an opening balance. The inflows and outflows can then be added easily and the closing balance simply summed. So all the clever work would go in the opening balance.
The added complexity I have is that I am doing a multi row version. ie there are ‘currently’ 3 entities all with opening balances, all with inflows and outflows and closing balances. I want to calculate these in blocks of these entities – 1 row per entity but in a single dynamic array. But the corkscrew will be made up of 4 dynamic arrays – opening bal, inflows, outflows and closing.
If someone has a better logic here then do let me know. I saw Jeff Robsons one from a few years back using sumifs for the middle bit. But again, I want to do these in separate blocks which does add a layer of complexity. The reason is that I can ( have) modelled with multiple entities together rather than separately which means one just needs to extend the blocks (VBA to the rescue as there will be a good number of them) as required and inputs can just be assigned to the respective entity (often locations around the world might just be a tiny rep office with hardly anything going on so no need for a fully blown model but can be detailed separately. I also have the ability to enable or disable entities so they are included or excluded from the calcs.
SO back to the problem, Model attached. Blue cells mark the dynamic array function for the block. The inflows and outflows will come from other dynamic arrays. But this idea means that one can expand the middle if the top/bottom are taken care of with regard to the circularity.
I’m trying to get something easy to implement ideally in a single function (with or without LET)
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I'm starting a new topic but do want to refer to post on accumulators here
This post was in 2021 and things have or may have moved on since then and I'm wondering if there is an easier way to achieve the following.
The Corkscrew. I have seen a number of addins and other 5G functions which do far more than I want. I'm basically looking for a way to break the circularity in a corkscrew and it seems that if I can calculate the top row ie typically the opening balance without referring to the closing balance then all would be good.
To add complexity I’m trying to fuse the actuals and forecasts in this single function. I have flags to determine the actuals and can use NOT actuals to get the forecasts (same flags) and can pic up the actual opening balance from the source data easily. As I will calculate all time periods for both I can then just add them (as actuals will be multiplied by the Actual flag and thus zero for forecast periods and vice versa for the forecasts. So I just need to calculate the forecast period which will be the same for the entire array block. The key is. getting the previous value. (for the inflows and outflows as they are already calculated I can just shift their arrays forward I col but adding a column in front to get the previous value so that is easy.
I can then get the closing balance by adding the inflows and outflows that would fall in the middle of the corkscrew to this previous value to simulate an opening balance. The inflows and outflows can then be added easily and the closing balance simply summed. So all the clever work would go in the opening balance.
The added complexity I have is that I am doing a multi row version. ie there are ‘currently’ 3 entities all with opening balances, all with inflows and outflows and closing balances. I want to calculate these in blocks of these entities – 1 row per entity but in a single dynamic array. But the corkscrew will be made up of 4 dynamic arrays – opening bal, inflows, outflows and closing.
If someone has a better logic here then do let me know. I saw Jeff Robsons one from a few years back using sumifs for the middle bit. But again, I want to do these in separate blocks which does add a layer of complexity. The reason is that I can ( have) modelled with multiple entities together rather than separately which means one just needs to extend the blocks (VBA to the rescue as there will be a good number of them) as required and inputs can just be assigned to the respective entity (often locations around the world might just be a tiny rep office with hardly anything going on so no need for a fully blown model but can be detailed separately. I also have the ability to enable or disable entities so they are included or excluded from the calcs.
SO back to the problem, Model attached. Blue cells mark the dynamic array function for the block. The inflows and outflows will come from other dynamic arrays. But this idea means that one can expand the middle if the top/bottom are taken care of with regard to the circularity.
I’m trying to get something easy to implement ideally in a single function (with or without LET)
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I really don't understand your question, but I have some sense for the area.
I've made some other complicated posts that touch on this topic, so if you are up for some reading, you can take a look at my serialization to preserve state function which is aimed primarily at reducing the computational demands for independent formulas. If you are happy to have just a single dynamic formula that rolls forward in time, everything comes down to structure.
Basically, you are aggregating data which consists of a few parts - an opening balance, inflows, outflows, and closing balance. What gives you freedom to inject complicated logic for how to change the inflows and outflows is making sure that your data is segregated both from your presentation and your calculations. The primary way that I do that is by having an excel table (ie \"list object\") that has amounts kept more or less as absolute values in a single column with another column that indicates whether the value is an inflow or outflow for the current purpose. So something like ctrl, date, acct, amt, flow.
I left you with the ability to add an optional filter mask for the transactions so that you can adjust the function relatively easily.
Then you make a few helper formulas depending on your needs.
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James_Buist Just for good measure, MMULT can also get the job done with minimal effort.
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Replied to your PM but it said I had used up my quota so it never went through. The teams invite bounced too. I'm only brass so perhaps my PM limit is tiny!! I'm also on imesssage and whatsapp or can send invite to another email address. Not sure when I can pm again but can receive. Zoom is also fine if you have it. time suggested works well
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Just realised I've been a bit of a bozo. I modeled my corkscrew on the calcs for Trade Debtors & Creditors where the middle sections are pre-calculated and nothing to do with the corkscrew. The corkscrew is just to get the output to feed into the balance sheet. BUT..
There is another type in play whereby the corkscrew is used to get the payment amount. eg VAT
Usually one would use the opening balance in the month of payment due (using flags) and negate it. So then a mid section becomes dependent on an opening and closing balance. I was a bit taken aback when I hit the first circularity that it blurred my mind to the other situations
Have I missed the point in the two calcs one for opening and one for closing balances? I just used opening as closing could just be a standard addition. Should I be using both as just opening works for trade debtors and even if I use both, the VAT payment still results in circularity. I'm probably being really dumb but I can't see an easy way around this.
I tried using a variation of the opening balance scan solution but need to reset based on the vat payment period - currently in an array of flags. But I can't integrate that reset into the scan function. I like that concept of the flags especially for things like payment periods. Again not sure how to tackle this. Much prefer to keep the corkscrew in separate components for flexibility but can abandon this if a better way. I think this would then wrap up the corkscrew issue
Sample in 08a attached
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You mention 'keeping corkscrews in separate components'. For me the corkscrew has no particular significance; it is simply a presentational device used to support hand calculation in much the same way that numbers used to be laid out for 'long division' in the days when that was a thing.
I the physical world of engineering quantities that I am used to such quantities the balances are simply the indefinite integral of the flows; conversely one differentiates the balances to return to the flows. In discrete models the quantities become accumulations over time and, the reverse, differences per period. No artistic layout is required; the quantities simply are what they are defined to be.
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My recollection is that MMULT used with an upper triangular matrix can be remarkably efficient with SCAN only outperforming it for very large problems.
On a separate issue, I used your IF({1}, ...) broadcast formula recently to build a 2D array of FIFO results to cover multiple companies and products. The alternative would have been to introduce the additional dimensions as separate nested steps but broadcasting allowed me to introduce the 2D array of 2D arrays with a single application of MAP, plus a sprinkling of thunks.
I suspect that to try to combine 'actuals' (which feed into and sit alongside assumptions) with forecasts is to introduce self-inflicted damage. By all means bring them together at the end by using HSTACK, as part of the presentation layer, but I wouldn't try to combine the calculations.
A further observation on my approach to the 'array of array' problem (hopefully a temporary problem, but who knows). My objective is to create 'universal' approaches that work as the Microsoft helper functions should have worked, and with the computational tricks hidden from the user. I have also tried to avoid methods that are specific to a particular class of problem. As an example, it is easier to find approaches for summation, but if multiplication also enters the picture (as for interest payment or other growth assumptions) the problem becomes harder and it can be a case of 'back to the drawing board'!
Please accept my apologies for inflicting my thoughts and opinions on you somewhat uninvited!
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The basic strategy is to start of by calculating closing balances using SCAN. The catch here is that you are accumulating arrays rather than scalars, so SCAN needs to be fooled by passing it a thunk vector. The problem of evaluating the resulting thunk array is not trivial. Opening balances follow by offsetting the closing balances by one period. Once you have the opening balances, the rest of the model follows as one simple array calculation.
In some situations, like a revolver, you may know how that you are only accumulating two interacting rows of data and it may be better to use two passes of MAP to evaluate debt and cash rows individually.
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James_Buist Not too sure if this is what you're looking for, but the attached file contains a couple different possibilities using GROUPBY or SCAN...
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Great. An entire collection. I used the first scan one. I have GroupBy but many don't yet have it but good to start getting some experience with it. The first Scan one is nice and simple to implement and doesn't require any named functions to be created. The second is probably more sophisticated but it can be easier for users not to have named functions unless they are quite simple. I find editing them still a bit of a pain even with the Excel labs editor. SO I tend to write functions using LET and then wrap in lambda and keep an original with indentation etc for easy reading. But there are probably better ways. I was also not surprised when you added the MMULT. You are a master with those and they are so slick and fast. I've deployed both in the model and will decide later which to keep. Many thanks again for the neat and succinct solution.
PS I meant to add. I just used the Scan function for the Opening Balances as the closing could just be a sum of each part. I deliberately wanted to keep each section separate for added flexibility so I can model in multiple different ways but with the same component parts. Some corkscrews may have 5 or 6 middle sections so this way the function can just be tweaked to accommodate these especially if each block is just a single cell ref with a #.
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