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Inking on Web Pages - Discussion
We have received a lot of feedback about supporting inking annotations for web pages like what we have in the current version of Microsoft Edge. Many users have told us that they use this functionality as a daily driver and would like to see it in the new version of Microsoft Edge as well. We would like to understand the scenarios in which you would use this functionality. Details about what you use it for, what are the expectations about availability of different tools, saving and sharing options etc. would be extremely useful in making sure we provide the best user experience to you. Your input will help us making sure that the feature works best for you.
- N_EttenCopper Contributor
Elliot Kirk Here is just a few scenarios I would leverage the "Write on the Web" feature.
- Record a walkthrough of a web page to assist others in troubleshooting without having to apply visual effects to a video or markup to a series of screen captures later.
- Grab notes for myself or others that I can follow up on by returning to the annotated page.
- Draw attention to specific information on a page that I can share with others by providing a link to the annotated page.
- Discuss and plan changes to a web page in real time with team members using notes and pens to mark the pages as we go along.
These are just a few I could think of off the top of my head.
- RichJ101Copper ContributorIt's December 23, 2021. My edge does not have this ability. Is it available yet in any way?
- Danielp3011Copper Contributor
I am a student of computer vision and I have to read a lot of scientific articles every day.
Since I have a convertible computer I love the functionality to mark important parts of the text to which I come back after reading it the first time.
From psychological studies I have read, I know that the brain is much more activated while reading a text if the text is not just read, but also a lot of notes and marks are taken.
Therefore, I also take many notes while reading articles, for example from Wikipedia, or long blog posts in my leisure time.
Since right now, this feature is not yet available, I sometimes have to print important articles, for which it is not enough to read them without writing in it.
I also tried the OneNote clipper, however it is quite instable in comparison to the old inking on webpages feature.
I would love to have less to print on paper in the future, and instead more inking on webpages in the future.
Thanks
- BennyHardjonoCopper Contributor
BennyHardjono please provide inking on edge web browser as before - I need it to teach online classes - Hurry. I am really disappointed that your team has removed and made this inking on Legacy version NOT available (even you have prevented users to look for / get it). VERY BAD policy.
- KamSilver Contributor
BennyHardjonoWhy did you @mention yourself? I know you don't run the Edge team. There is now inking in a different style: capturing an image of the webpage and inking on it. It's called Web Capture, available in version 88 or above.
- dopylopBrass Contributor
Web Capture -- if it is a beginning and the rest of functions of the previous browser will soon be added, along with hoped for improvements, -- is still very lacking but at least a start. Thank the team for that. I don't understand the long timeframe to at least reach parity with old Edge though. Very strange.
I am reluctant to mention this in case this disappears but when I opened Windows Sandbox today I noted I was able to use old Edge in that.
What a relief that was! But will it remain? Will Sandboxed Windows update Edge? I've tried to block that just in case but ... . Anyway, others may want to try this but there is no warranty with this tip!
- cargmannCopper Contributor
Use case;
- Insert a video in a ppt with instructions, or just a demo. Ability to circle or highlight what I am talking about on the screen , while I am talking.
- I create an SOP in One Note of everything I do. So much easier just to insert screen shots with some text on the it. Rather than typing; Please select the second button to the last on the right, and from the drop down, click option number 2, then navigate to the center of that page...... and so on. Just put a picture with a circle and the text "Select This".
- For new web development back and forth, clients and designers can just circle or mark up what they want to change and share it.
Please add ability to Type text.
This is a critical functionality that would make a lot of people's lives easier.
Please add ability to add a shape, circle or square to highlight an area on the page. Hand drawn looks messy on presentations to clients.
- KamSilver Contributor
cargmannwrote:Please add ability to Type text.This is a critical functionality that would make a lot of people's lives easier.
Please add ability to add a shape, circle or square to highlight an area on the page. Hand drawn looks messy on presentations to clients.
I agree with this part, we should be able to type. Also, I'm adding to it, we should be able to blur parts of some screenshots, since sometimes we have to take screenshots that contain personal information.
- TheOtherDeniseCopper Contributor
Elliot Kirk I am a teacher who teaches high school math. I personally bought a Surface and talked my school into buying a Surface for me to teach with. Textbook companies used to make PowerPoints to teach lessons with, but now every publisher is using some sort of Interactive web interface. In my opinion, these are not the best tool for a teacher - just a good tool for the students. However, with the capability to write on the webpage, it was tolerable.
Furthermore, having an inking tool to work well on pdf documents gives me the flexibility of creating my own lesson shells to use while teaching. I can then write on the pdf in the spaces I created to show the mathematical steps in solving a problem. I can save the pdf to share with students later. Most importantly, by using my Surface and my Surface pen, I can have an interactive experience in teaching while walking around the room and still have a clean crisp experience with my Surface Pen and the document. (What I'm saying is that with the Surface being a touch screen, third party apps don't always work smoothly with the pen and sometimes I get marks in several places on the screen that I touched with my hand or fingers. It's annoying.
Microsoft Whiteboard is great for tutoring, but it is not something that works well for preparing lessons in advance or for sharing notes afterwards.
- KamSilver Contributor
Elliot Kirk Inking is finally here! Thanks for taking the users' feedback.
- MinasCasiouBrass Contributor
I'm a longstanding, huge MS fan, so please take note of that when reading my response below.
It's meant as constructive feedback to Microsoft's Edge team. It's a little harsh, but it's needed.
- The Web Capture feature is a very poor cousin to the original Edge Inking feature.
- Web Capture cannot be compared to the original feature from a User Experience perspective (forget the underlying technology).
- I'm very frustrated with Microsoft Edge team's approach to this matter.
You need to understand that people paid thousands of dollars for Surface devices, with rich inking functionality as the driver for many purchases.
Then, without consultation, MS Edge team removed the old browser and replaced it with something that removed this functionality.
You can't regress functionality for features people have paid thousands of dollars for.
It's careless and non-customer centered thinking and behavior like this that frustrates loyal customers and makes them turn to other platforms, and deeply tarnishes Microsoft's Brand and Reputation.
It's borderline lawsuit.
Such appalling handling of the matter infuriates me. It's been a year or so since I've not been able to use this feature.
I don't care if it's on the old edge or the new one, but it needs to be a seamless experience to users.
- if approach to edge is to have 2 browser versions, then they should be able to live side-by-side, in an easy to install and supported configuration
- if approach to edge is to have only one browser version, then make it feature complete before releasing to and removing the old one
Simple. Put your Customer Hat on, and it's plain clear & simple.
Think about the users of your applications and the ecosystems they've bought into.
You can't be so rash and dismissive of the premium devices people have purchased to use these features.
I've paid over AUD $7,000 on a surface book 2 and surface pro. In the last year I've not been able to use this feature which was a key decider in my purchases. I use it for various things which some may question the value of, and say there are other ways to do something similar.
But the point is:
- I saw, I liked (loved actually) decided to go ahead and paid a lot of money for what I wanted. You can't just take that away.
- I've been without the feature for a year!
- the so-called 'replacement' feature is deeply insulting. It's a joke! It's just a screen clip with a poor scrolling implementation that means it's impractical to use on long web pages where I used to do my research.
Can't express how frustrated and disappointed I am, and these attempts to convince us that the feature is back in the form of Web Capture is deeply insulting.
Comments about it being a new browser, built from the ground up are totally irrelevant. Customers only see the end product, only get one product, and the product "upgrade?" is missing the key feature that drove them to spend thousands of dollars on Surface devices.
There's been no end of plead's from the community to bring back the feature.
I can't believe a product manager wouldn't make this their highest priority, above pretty much all else when replacing the old edge.
Poor performance. Please lift your game.
- KamSilver Contributor
MinasCasiou I agree on both sides, but you guys on this thread have been asking for it and be happy with what you get.
- MarinMSteel Contributor
I'm glad to see you're adding this feature. But I hope you will improve the pen and touch support, which is really poor, especially considering that the whole point of this feature is to draw with a pen on a touchscreen. Some of the problems are:
- I can click and drag with a mouse to capture more of the page than fits the screen, but I can't do this with touch or pen.
- There is no pen and touch input separation. I want to use the pen to draw and touch to pan, and I don't want to have to tap on the "Draw" button after I have already tapped on the "Add notes" button.
Please also add undo functionality.
- R7anubisBrass Contributor
Elliot Kirk Please enable the inking on web pages on this new Edge browser (The entire toolbar, highlighting, inking, erasing, snipping, sharing tools) which already existed on Edge legacy.
Everyone who sees the feature will know what it is, and there is no confusion. So, a setting could be enabled to turn this feature on. That way, people can choose if they want it or not. They won't feel like this feature was forced on them.
Everyone loved this feature, and used it a lot. Please enable the one note like inking toolbar.
Hope this will be taken into consideration, and implemented for the betterment of edge, and the satisfaction of the users.
Thank you
- CDBETTSCopper Contributor
Elliot Kirk I wonder why MS didn't solicit feedback on use of the feature before it was removed? I agree with several people that it was the main reason I used Edge (well this and the quick save of open tabs). It is also one of the features that is used to sell Surface products so it is hard to fathom why it would be removed as if nobody would notice. The snipping tool update is a poor substitute. I want to draw on a live web page. For example, I have a conference schedule with all of the Zoom links for the workshop sessions. I want to highlight or check the sessions I will attend but still have the live connection links available to me. I do legal research so I want to make notations or highlights in published cases and still have live links to cited cases and statutes so I can easily jump to them. I also want to save these highlighted cases for future use. I know that I can download documents to Word or Adobe but the drawing features in Adobe aren't as robust as those that Edge used to have. Word is better but not all content can be converted easily to Word and it is a lot of extra steps. Plus, it isn't even clear how to download a page. In FireFox it is one click, easy peasy. Return of this feature needs to be a priority if you don't want to make Edge obsolete.
CDBETTS wrote:Elliot Kirk I wonder why MS didn't solicit feedback on use of the feature before it was removed? I agree with several people that it was the main reason I used Edge (well this and the quick save of open tabs). It is also one of the features that is used to sell Surface products so it is hard to fathom why it would be removed as if nobody would notice. The snipping tool update is a poor substitute. I want to draw on a live web page. For example, I have a conference schedule with all of the Zoom links for the workshop sessions. I want to highlight or check the sessions I will attend but still have the live connection links available to me. I do legal research so I want to make notations or highlights in published cases and still have live links to cited cases and statutes so I can easily jump to them. I also want to save these highlighted cases for future use. I know that I can download documents to Word or Adobe but the drawing features in Adobe aren't as robust as those that Edge used to have. Word is better but not all content can be converted easily to Word and it is a lot of extra steps. Plus, it isn't even clear how to download a page. In FireFox it is one click, easy peasy. Return of this feature needs to be a priority if you don't want to make Edge obsolete.
But they didn't remove it, they made a new browser from ground up and they had to remake that feature again. so there wasn't anything to solicit. but now they are and user feedbacks heavily impact the future of Edge, we see it every week.
Good thing is, this feature is currently implemented, not 100% but you can try it out if you install Edge Dev (or canary)
Download Microsoft Edge Insider Channels
They call it Web Capture now
Introducing web capture for Microsoft Edge - Microsoft Tech Community
at this moment I'm writing this comment, you can:
- take screenshots of the web pages
- take scrolling/long screenshots of web pages
- Draw/Ink on web pages
- Erase your Drawing/Inking
- Save your web capture
- Copy your Web capture
- Share your Web capture straight to OneNote or other apps for further work on them
more options are on the way