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Missing a official Mesh Roadmap
Mesh is now launched and available. The solution has attracted a lot of attention and of course has the potential to be a game changer for collaborative mixed reality solutions in companies 🙂 What I and our customers are currently missing is a communicated roadmap, such as the one that exists for M365 solutions. Everything here is still very mysterious and nebulous as to the direction it will take. Everyone in the know is of course delighted that Microsoft has taken on the topic of mixed reality. But even those in the know know that there are still many unresolved issues. This wouldn't be so dramatic if the next improvements were to be provided via an official roadmap. Then you can prepare yourself and your customers. Is there already a published but well-hidden roadmap?438Views1like1CommentRe: Collabration with non premium users
Many thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, licensing is sometimes more and more complicated. So let me ask you one more time? I have understood that a Teams Premium licence is necessary if I want to create "Mesh Custom Worlds". Which is not entirely clear. Do the participants who want to join the "Mesh Custom World" also need a Teams Premium licence? I assume so. But this is not clearly described at the moment.870Views1like1CommentImportant features in sight?
We are already trying out a lot in Mesh and the integration in Unitity can be described as successful so far. However, in order to be able to conduct interactive workshops, 3 important functions would be very useful and are practically available in all virtual collaboration solutions. 1. providing sticky notes (post it) during the session. 2. 3D pens for writing on the notes and drawing in the room. 3. it would be great if 3D assets could be saved in the library and thus be made available by default for the design of a session. Is there any information on this?452Views0likes1CommentI'm a little confused!
In fact, I have now heard different statements from 3 experts on the subject of "inviting guests outside the tenant". I'm currently more concerned with how best to let potential customers experience how immersive working works during live demos. If anyone here has a good tip on how to technically involve potential customers in a sales presentation, thank you in advance. I mean participating and not following my stream. All 3 experts have been part of the private preview of Mesh. But these statements are very relevant. Some clarification would be great. First opinion (this is also the one that I represent and have been able to ascertain so far) It is currently not possible to invite external guests outside the tenant. Microsoft is aware of the problem and will resolve it at a later date. There are comparable examples such as MS-Whiteboard or MS-Loops, where this does not yet work either. Second opinion (inviting guests via a workaround) Apparently there is a workaround that allows you to invite guests to Mesh. But how was not mentioned. I can only imagine that it works via real accounts in the tenant, which are then declared as a guest, but a member of the Azure Directory. Okay, that would be plausible. Can such an account be used by several people at the same time in a presentation? That would surprise me a little. Third opinion (that would really surprise me now) In fact, a well-known expert claimed at an event that it would be no problem to invite external guests to Mesh (outside the tenant). We then asked: "Great, why don't you invite us in then?" The answer: "Unfortunately, that's not possible now due to the short time available!" I actually have my doubts about this opinion, although I would of course be delighted if it were possible. But since the statement was made by an expert (MVP), the answer made me extremely insecure and motivated me to write this post. So what is the current status? At the moment, I still assume that it is not possible to invite guests outside the organisation. I would be very grateful for clarification as to why these differing views exist, and I'm probably not the only one who would appreciate it. This statement has a decisive influence on the possible use cases that can be addressed with Mesh as it stands today.888Views0likes2CommentsRe: I'm a little confused!
Thank you so much Luke 👌 In fact, I support your opinion that the workaround via a client should be very carefully considered from a commercial and administrative point of view and should only be used in absolutely exceptional cases. I think it's good that MS is addressing this issue. I also realise that external access (I'll call it guest access now 😊) requires a lot of computing power in the cloud. If MS doesn't want to offer this free of charge, that's understandable. Perhaps there are simpler licence models in this case than per user? Examples: - per event staggered according to size and time! - Organiser buys credits for events and can then redeem them - etc785Views0likes0CommentsRe: Permanent worlds that can be entered without an event?
I can fully understand your examples. Now, of course, you can argue back and forth. I don't think that is currently the primary goal of Mesh. Microsoft differentiates very well here. First, Mesh addresses the "commercial metaverse", I don't really like the term metaverse either, and the things you describe are called "industrial metaverse" by Microsoft. Of course, there are also overlaps and permeabilities. It is up to us to identify meaningful and value-adding use cases from this area that offer us a good entry point with the customer. But I agree with you that the examples where people just hand out "likes and hearts" will not be enough to convince business decision makers to invest in more complicated economic times. But there are also such use cases in the commercial metaverse and that Microsoft will provide suitable functions for this in Mesh quickly.890Views1like0CommentsRe: Permanent worlds that can be entered without an event?
This is really a good addition. I didn't mention it explicitly, but it was also a thought when I talked about persistent spaces. That is an invaluable advantage of virtual rooms as opposed to physical meeting rooms. I can just leave everything there and don't have to tidy everything up, as in physical meeting rooms, because a follow-up meeting is being held there by others. This scenario is even much more business-critical and valuable for the company than the currently focused culture initiatives.917Views1like2CommentsRe: Permanent worlds that can be entered without an event?
Thank you for your feedback 🙂 I am sufficiently familiar with this discussion from related solutions. There really are pros and cons. Many rooms with few people is of course also an issue. But if you consider a mesh as an extension of an intranet or virtual workplace, then there should be room for such things. The rest is then to be organised via change and adoption procedures. In an intranet, employees also have permanent access to certain, generally valid information :-). Time will see :).899Views1like1CommentPermanent worlds that can be entered without an event?
It is already fun to deal with MS-Mesh. The adjustments with Unity also work quite well, my colleagues say. As a business consultant, I only ever see the results :-). What I would find great is the following feature, which should actually be easy to realise. In my opinion, I'm not a developer :-). The fact that Mesh always has to do with events is okay for now. But there are also things for which I don't need an event. I just want to use a virtual world spontaneously. Example: I want to see who is in the virtual coffee kitchen, because I want to exchange ideas with my colleagues, just like in real life. I have time right now and I want to go to our digital showroom based on mesh to find out about our products. If there happens to be someone there as well, so much the better. Spontaneous exchanges with colleagues I would never have invited because I don't know them or we have nothing to do with each other in the working world are not possible. Is that right? What I would like to see in the Mesh Portal is a section of rooms that exist permanently and that I can enter spontaneously without them being assigned to an event. Have I overlooked this or does it already exist? Or is that hidden behind worlds, which are still empty in the demo tenant :-).1.2KViews1like10CommentsRe: Mesh public preview does not appear in Teams?
So, now much more seems to work, according to the settings in Teams-Admin-Center. Thank you for your tips, which have helped a lot. The only thing that does not work yet: The link to Mesh in a team appointment does not work yet. Here you have to click separately on the right mouse button and select Open separately. At the moment, this is rather a minor issue. I am not a developer, but a Business & Sales Consultant and I develop and sell ideas to customers. I know many comparable VR/AR collaboration solutions. Here is my personal first impression of Mesh: Of course Mesh at this stage still has far too little functionality compared to the other solutions and also the movements of the avatars need to become smarter. And I don't mean missing legs :-). But Microsoft already manages to make a difference and offers things that I have not yet seen in other solutions. - That is the selection of seating arrangements, which has really been solved super simply and well. - There is very great emphasis on high-quality good-looking spaces right from the start. That certainly increases acceptance. - Also, the integration into Teams is already pretty good and so already unique. I won't write about the missing and desirable functions yet, because I'm sure they will be added quickly. The only real criticism and limitation, in my opinion, is that there is no clear statement about whether accounts outside the tenant can be invited. That would be a great, great pity if this did not happen, because it would mean that the use cases that have a very fast ROI for companies and are critical to the company cannot be realised. Examples are virtual trade fairs, VR in the sales process, HR assessment .... And what surprises me! Mesh was originally MixedReality. Now it is completely Virtual Reality. Where is Augmented?2.4KViews0likes1CommentRe: Mesh public preview does not appear in Teams?
Thanks, Short update from my side: - I´m using since today the new Version 1.6.0028507 in Teams classic in advance it does not work yet I see the links in a template calendar entry in Teams, but nothing happens when you click on them. You have to copy the link and then mesh is called correctly. It works in Outlook, by the way. But: But, although I thought I had activated everything correctly, no EA setting appears in my profile since a few weeks (specifically since I have been using the new teams). In fact, I always switch back and forth between the two teams versions. I have looked again in the update guidelines of the Teams Admin Centre. The switch "Microsoft Controlled" was not activated as recommended. I have now done this and am curious to see what happens. It can sometimes take a while until the policy is applied.2.5KViews1like1CommentMesh public preview does not appear in Teams?
Hi all, I have all the licences you need for the Public Preview. In Teams Administrator, the settings are set so that I can get previews. I also see the app "Mesh Immesive Spaces" version 1.0.21., but I cannot add it. Neither in Classic Teams nor in New Teams. Currently my tenant is in Western Europe. Is it just not rolled out to us yet, or what else could it be?3.3KViews1like15Comments- 884Views0likes0Comments
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