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Re: New Outlook Issues
brianbir570A I certainly empathize with your struggle there. But I would also point out that Google, while being a provider of email, also don’t provide an email client. They provide only webmail. These aren’t the same thing. One of the major problems with New Outlook, aside from missing features is that it is also not an email client. It essentially behaves like webmail. All email traffic flows through the Outlook server at Microsoft. This isn’t much of a difference if Microsoft is your current email provider. But if your email service provider is Google or Yahoo, then your data will go through the Outlook server, where Microsoft will undoubtedly use the ‘anonymized’ data to train its copilot AI. The other downside of Google as a service provider for productivity suite, is that its offerings are far weaker and less universal than Office. There are no desktop versions of their software. My recommendation would be that when Microsoft forces New Outlook on the enterprise customer, look into a professional email client software to replace Outlook. I am looking at alternatives at this time.777Views0likes0CommentsRe: New Outlook Issues
NikolinoDE Thank you for taking the time to craft such a well thought response to my post. Unfortunately there aren’t alternatives. I work in the IT space for my employer and as you might be aware, most corporations get Outlook bundled with their M365 suite of software and services. The bean counters don’t know the difference and they aren’t going to invest in a separate, paid service, when they are paying for M365 suite and it comes with an email client. All of that said, we both know that New Outlook isn’t an email client. Webmail in an application container, is webmail. That’s not Microsoft finding a balance either. Microsoft is a trillion dollar outfit with an Outlook problem. The question is, “what to do with a nearly thirty year old email client that has tons of feature but years of cruft”? The answer is to find a build a native client from the ground up that can do all of the basic email requirements that a non-power user needs and balance what power users need at launch. Then you can add features by expanding your native build. But spaghetti code is easier to string together. And developers for web technology are comparatively cheaper. I think the idea here is that one code base is also easier to deploy quickly. That might be true enough, but most pros don’t like webmail. It’s good enough in a pinch, but it’ll never be good enough as a daily driver. Not even with 100% feature parity. Because we aren’t at the place where HTML/CSS/JS can run in browser or in a wrapper and not behave like a website. You can’t resize Teams (or slack for that matter) down the way you can any native chat client. The columns can only size so far down and have readable content. This is a web limitation. Buttons and filter tabs can’t be tiny and yet 100% accurate so you have to make them larger and they waste space. Information populates at what is just on the verge of near instantaneous, but still slowly enough that you know its webcode even if it’s not waiting to load back from a server. And the file handling, like attachment previews and downloads behaves as it does in a web browser. Maybe they can fix that, but I’m not sure they can. And look at the search position and side rails in Outlook. Why are those thing there when it wastes tons of space? That’s to be inline with the Outlook.com layout. But there’s much more that you just aren’t going to get from an application for say Windows that’s coded in C for example than just loading React Native with some version of code from Outlook.com. But you can pair back the number of developers. You can trim down time spent in development and you can apparently produce an inferior product as a result and still charge the same amount to your customer. But TLDR, the bottom line is that if I’m doing a job for you and you’re paying me, then I need to make sure my service is right. If I’m selling something that’s out of date or needs an overhaul then my job should be to start from the ground up if that’s what it takes to make it right. And I should give you the equivalent of what you had before if I’m going to charge you the same amount for it.36KViews4likes1CommentRe: Issue with Outlook Rules after Latest Office Update on MacBook
Unless Microsoft decides to make the rules as robust in New Outlook as they are in the current native client, then there isn’t an option. You might find a AddOn that some how adds rules as an online process. But remember it can’t be legacy COM add in. It has to be the web (Outlook.com) version of an add in. I would suggest researching any version of Outlook before letting the Office Updater install an update or before installing an update to Outlook for the App Store. I absolutely refuse New Outlook on both MacOS and on Windows. There isn’t a group policy option for MacOS. But if you’re an IT admin you might have the ability to lock it down wirh InTune or a similar endpoint configuration system.758Views0likes0CommentsRe: New Outlook Issues
NikolinoDE You’re assuming that there is appreciation for imposing this non-client replacement upon users. It’s not a native desktop client. It’s Outlook.com wrapped in React Native and displayed through WebView2. It’s web. It tastes like web. By the way, Outlook.com is a clumsy, bloated, slow, and ugly web based application for accessing email. Why would this be the consistency that Microsoft think users want? The sidebar/side rails, or whatever you call that redundant waste of space and the top search bar? They were moved to get users use to the fact that it matches the spacing and layout of Outlook.com and the customization and spacing limitations of CSS, HTML, and JS. It literally looks like Outlook.com. I avoid it like the plague unless I have no choice. And the way that I least like accessing email is the way that I’ll be compelled to access all my work email is now one and the same. By the way so many features including advanced rules, shared folders, and the ability to re-arrange folders in New Outlook is all borked. If you need these features I’d suggest you avoid it like the plague. It’s missing way more than that. But it can’t get the most basic UI elements down. And someone wanting praise for this? Why? Who asked for this?36KViews2likes11Comments
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