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Mar 16, 2022

Gmail less secure apps being locked down

On May 30, 2022 Google is locking down "less secure apps". See Google's announcement here: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en I'm using Outlook 2019, ad use Gmail via Outlook...

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On May 30, 2022 Google is locking down \"less secure apps\".

See Google's announcement here:

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en

I'm using Outlook 2019, ad use Gmail via Outlook for 95% of my Email traffic.

I would think Microsoft is aware of this. Will using Outlook require a manual 2FA intervention every time a connection is made with Gmail?

 

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On May 30, 2022 Google is locking down \"less secure apps\".

See Google's announcement here:

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en

I'm using Outlook 2019, ad use Gmail via Outlook for 95% of my Email traffic.

I would think Microsoft is aware of this. Will using Outlook require a manual 2FA intervention every time a connection is made with Gmail?

 

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If we do not find away to add OAUTH2.0 into an old version of Outlook; I'm afraid an upgrade is required.
[and I find the newer versions of MS Office to be both ugly and clunky - functions are moved into dumb & inconvenient sub-menus]

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If we do not find away to add OAUTH2.0 into an old version of Outlook; I'm afraid an upgrade is required.
[and I find the newer versions of MS Office to be both ugly and clunky - functions are moved into dumb & inconvenient sub-menus]

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KeithLaKey 

 

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unless you set 16 digit passwords less secure apps are required 

 

Hello my name is Stewart Goodin I have worked in the computer industry since 1982 

 

I am seeing this problem, less secure apps, already cropping up with TELUS accounts.

 

First Less secure apps is required to be enabled for accessing GMAIL emails from OUTLOOK 2019 

this applies to both IMAP and POP access to GMAIL via OUTLOOK 2019 unless you set 16 digit passwords. 

 

So please if you are responding to questions take the time to read what people have said before you respond

I am tired of the millennial and the non millennial's attitude of not knowing what you are responding to before you answer.

 

here is a link to setup a 16 digit password to access your GMAIL account from OUTLOOK 2019 

 

Sign in with App Passwords - Google Account Help

 

Here are step by step instructions to accomplish this 

 

Google Help Center 2-Step Verification > Signing in with 2-Step Verification > Sign in with App Passwords 

 

Login to GMAIL Account \"myaccount.google.com\"

Click on security 

Enable 2 step verification, you will have to have a cell phone or access to some other device. 

Now click on the back arrow, Top Left Center of Screen, 

Having done that now app passwords will appear 

click on app passwords 

click on select app and mail 

click on select device and select windows computer 

click generate and a 16 digit code will appear #### #### #### #### highlight and copy to clipboard

go to Microsoft OUTLOOK and paste that code into your password line, you will be prompted for it,

click on remember and save 

Your outlook will work fine from now on and you will find less secure apps is all ready disabled

 

I have tested it and it works fine 

 

Sincerely 

 

Stewart Goodin .PAT 

CEO Stewart IT Services Canada

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unless you set 16 digit passwords less secure apps are required 

 

Hello my name is Stewart Goodin I have worked in the computer industry since 1982 

 

I am seeing this problem, less secure apps, already cropping up with TELUS accounts.

 

First Less secure apps is required to be enabled for accessing GMAIL emails from OUTLOOK 2019 

this applies to both IMAP and POP access to GMAIL via OUTLOOK 2019 unless you set 16 digit passwords. 

 

So please if you are responding to questions take the time to read what people have said before you respond

I am tired of the millennial and the non millennial's attitude of not knowing what you are responding to before you answer.

 

here is a link to setup a 16 digit password to access your GMAIL account from OUTLOOK 2019 

 

Sign in with App Passwords - Google Account Help

 

Here are step by step instructions to accomplish this 

 

Google Help Center 2-Step Verification > Signing in with 2-Step Verification > Sign in with App Passwords 

 

Login to GMAIL Account \"myaccount.google.com\"

Click on security 

Enable 2 step verification, you will have to have a cell phone or access to some other device. 

Now click on the back arrow, Top Left Center of Screen, 

Having done that now app passwords will appear 

click on app passwords 

click on select app and mail 

click on select device and select windows computer 

click generate and a 16 digit code will appear #### #### #### #### highlight and copy to clipboard

go to Microsoft OUTLOOK and paste that code into your password line, you will be prompted for it,

click on remember and save 

Your outlook will work fine from now on and you will find less secure apps is all ready disabled

 

I have tested it and it works fine 

 

Sincerely 

 

Stewart Goodin .PAT 

CEO Stewart IT Services Canada

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Does this solution also work with Outlook 2010, or will it be impossible for IT-challenged senior citizens such as myself to continue using Outlook 2010 with Gmail after May 30, 2022? I hate upgrades! Is there any work around for Outlook 2010?
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Does this solution also work with Outlook 2010, or will it be impossible for IT-challenged senior citizens such as myself to continue using Outlook 2010 with Gmail after May 30, 2022? I hate upgrades! Is there any work around for Outlook 2010?
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KevinYork 

Hi Kevin,  I spent several hours chatting online with an MS tech support agent yesterday.  I think we found a way to get Outlook 2010 to work without Less Secure Apps.  We first created a new Outlook profile from ControlPanel>Mail(32-bit)>ShowProfiles>Add.  We then went to my Google account and turned on 2-Step Verification and then generated a 16-digit App password.  We copied this 16-digit password into the new Outlook Profile (under ControlPanel).  There were lots of steps and I am simplifying; the entire thread is too long to paste into this forum.  After turning on 2-step verification the Less Secure Apps toggle vanished and Outlook 2010 is now opening fine, so I assume Outlook is working without Less Secure Apps being on.  I'll only know for sure after May 30th.  I'll upgrade to Outlook 2021 regardless, but this way I can still use Outlook 2010 if I hate the new interface and cannot figure out how to do things in 2021 that I do easily in 2010 (I'm still traumatized by an Excel upgrade in the early 2000s).

Below is a post-chat summary sent to me by the agent, but I don't know if this summary contains all the necessary information.

all the best,

Peter

===================

Hi Peter,

Thanks for contacting Microsoft Customer Service. I'm very glad I get to work with a patience person like you. I already email you the transcript of our chat so you can review it. This email is the steps and helpful troubleshooting you can use for your wife's account in case you lost your copy.

 

Create a new profile Edit an Outlook profile (microsoft.com)

 Gmail server settings: 

IMAP: imap.gmail.com

POP: pop.gmail.com

SMTP: smtp.gmail.com

 

PORT NUMBERS: 

IMAP

Incoming: 993 SSL

Outgoing: 465/SSL and 587/TLS or STARTTLS

POP

Incoming: 995 SSL

Outgoing: 465/SSL and 587/TLS or STARTTLS

 

Generate app password Add a Gmail account to Outlook (microsoft.com)


A helpful resource for you:
Create New Profile > Generate app password > Set the profile as default (Always use this profile)
Make sure you check My outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication if Port numbers are SSL and TLS/STARTTLS.


If you still need help, contact support referencing the service request under the signature and this link Contact - Microsoft Support Thank you very much for working with me., Have a great day ahead!


Thanks again,

Quimjeanne
Microsoft Customer Service and Support

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1. Open Chrome, click on your name/initial in the upper right corner, click Manage your Google Account, select Security, turn off Less Secure Apps, and turn on 2-Step Verification. (Google will ask for your Google password and then send a PIN to your device).
2. After turning on 2-Step Verification, go back to Security and click on App passwords (directly below 2-Step Verification), enter your Google password, select Mail and Windows Computer (under Device -- but I may be skipping over a few steps), and then copy down the 16-digit password generated by Google.
3. Go to Control Panel>Mail>E-mail Accounts> and click on your Gmail account in the E-mail tab. This should open the Internet E-mail Settings window where you can enter the new 16-digit password in place of your previous Gmail/Google password. After entering this new 16-digit password, close Control Panel and check to see if Outlook 2010 opens. It is working fine for us even though Less Secure Apps is turned off.
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Peter_Rosner 

I use Outlook 2010 - At 3am this morning Outlook pulled down an email from the gmail server - It is the last gmail message I have been able to get through Outlook. After that I started getting requests from Outlook for a working password for my gmail account. I was getting this response:

 

Log onto incoming mail server (POP3): Your e-mail server rejected your login. Verify your user name and password for this account in Account Settings. The server responded: -ERR [AUTH] Username and password not accepted.

 

I know this is not the problem because I can log into gmail on my browser and see the new emails I have gotten since the one at 3am. Clearly I am dealing with this \"less secure app\" issue. It took me 3 hours to find this thread to figure out what is going on.

You propose a solution with the caveat, \" I'll only know for sure after May 30th.\" Well, it is after May 30th - I have the problem you were addressing - does your solution still work? Or, will it be an even greater waste of my time to try and implement it?

I use Outlook so I can have my own record of my emails because clearly Google feels they can shut access to my emails anytime they like - ironically because the Outlook app isn't secure enough. Well, they have proved that.

So again, does the solution you suggest for Outlook 2010 users still work?

Paul

 

 

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