May 03 2019 10:31 AM
May 03 2019 10:31 AM
Hello. I opened a $499 Professional support call on 4/10/2019, nearly 30 days ago. The case was originally opened at severity "C" with an 8 hour response time. I have followed up via the Microsoft Support phone line 6 times including raising the severity to "A", asking for duty managers, etc. The case still has not even been assigned to an engineer. I was told 2 weeks ago that the team is "experiencing high call volume". I can't even get people from the call routing center to call me back and give me status or any other options.
Nice job Microsoft. Maybe you should employ a few humans rather than outsourcing everything to "AI". Guess who now won't be deploying Defender ATP? Yep - us.
May 06 2019 07:12 AM
@TJ Cornish I feel your pain. In the last few months, I've had a few "Professional" MS Support cases open to the tune of $499 a pop and they've all turned out to be a joke. The experience is anything but professional. Fortunately(?), it's not just Defender ATP where this backlog exists, it's "Professional" support across all of their products as far as I can tell. My most recent Defender ATP support case was opened on 4/3 with Severity A (expected response 2 hours) and after multiple followup calls initiated on my end, I finally heard from Microsoft on 4/16. It's also impossible to really chase anyone down since the don't let (or claim not to let) the individuals opening the cases have any direct contact with the teams providing support. It's now 5/6, and this case still had no real movement. They haven't even verified that the issue is reproducible even though it 100% is (e.g. Chrome win32k SysCalls being blocked regardless of any mitigation rule exceptions).
You may not know this depending on your organization's size, but there is a level of support above "Professional" which doesn't operate on a pay-per-incident (PPI) basis, but rather bills hourly. This is the only level that Microsoft very clearly takes seriously and it is known as Premier support. However, if you're a smaller organization, you literally cannot access this level of support without going through a third-party that has a contract with Microsoft. Then you get the luxury of paying the third-party their hourly rate to manage the case as well as hourly rates to Microsoft for their work on the case, but at least you will finally be dealing with a responsive individual.
Anyway, you're not alone in your support struggles. It's infuriating. If it's any consolation, you can typically get your $499 refunded when these cases go nowhere.
May 06 2019 07:27 AM
@Philip KlussThanks for your commiseration. I have attempted 3 $499 Pro support calls in the last 90 days. The first I ended up solving myself before the agent got back to me. They claim they have refunded it, but I haven't gotten the refund. Case number 2 is pushing a month old, now, too. I have had engineer contact, but no final resolution; last step is for them to actually call me and implement the rest of the remediation. Case number 3 is the above. I'm not sure if my complaint post here triggered action or if it was coincidental, but I did finally receive a call back on Friday, the day after I posted this.
Thanks for the tip on "Premier" support. As you suspected, we are a small shop and can't get it at any price. We have tried with Skype For Business Online and utterly failed.
The level of chaos in the MS world right now is unsustainable. Products are materially and obviously broken and support is nearly non-existent. Cloud service uptime (e.g. the DNS issue last week that took down all of Office365) is far worse than the on-prem world, and MS apparently can't manage any kind of testing - the root issue for nearly every service issue in Azure/O365 is bad code and/or an admin screwup.
What a great time to be in Technology.
Jun 13 2019 12:42 PM
@TJ Cornish - Hey, I would like to apologies and say I’m sorry about your support experience. I work on the ATP team and would like to better understand the issues and if needed engage our broader team. What is the best way to contact you to get the specifics?
Jun 17 2019 08:38 AM
@TJ Cornish My company has "unified support", which is a percentage of our annual Microsoft spend that's not insubstantial. We just got it with our new EA in June. I opened a ticket the 6th. I didn't hear back until the evening of the 12th when my TAM set the case to Severity A. Once I heard back and responded on the 13th, it was set back to B. I haven't had a response since. One response in coming up on two weeks for around a six figure yearly sticker price. At this point, I wouldn't recommend anybody pay the money. Luckily we are only committed for the first year of our EA. I have a much better experience with on-demand services contracts from MS Partners at less than 1/10th the cost.
Jun 19 2019 01:34 PM
I'm convinced the root issue is the ridiculous churn at MS now - software changes twice a week and not even MS knows what the heck their software does, let alone the poor outsourcing contractors that are supposed to help us hapless end users. Until MS figures out that "agile" development cycles that are too fast to allow for any testing or user input aren't a good thing, the misery will continue.
Azure has been unbelievably underwhelming for us. When you factor in the double billing of backup/replication and storage costs, it's way more expensive than on-prem infrastructure, and you find yourself making performance concessions to run on cheap servers that aren't up to the task.
There are some cool things - Azure ATP being potentially one of them, but MS needs to find a balance between new/cool stuff and actually architecting things well-enough the first time that they don't need to replace 30% of the code in every system every month.
Jun 20 2019 02:26 PM
At this point I would not recommend Microsoft Defender ATP to anyone.
I don't have any specific complaints about the product itself, but I do have some issues with the support.
We were sold MSATP with the promise of it being the next big thing. We were able to deploy easily as promised. Got everything up and running and clients onboarded. But now that we are requesting some training on the product, general overview, etc, no one can help us. Microsoft themselves seem to have zero people who know anything about the product.
I feel that some of the questions I have are not something that is easy to answer, but I honestly don't know.
I sort of feel like were told the things we wanted to hear, they got our money, and then we are left to fend for ourselves. We do have premier support, but I am scared to use it because of how I may be wasting those precious hours on a dumb issues.
Unfortunately we are stuck with it for now.
Jun 20 2019 03:28 PM
@Todd Harrison - Hey Todd, I work on the ATP team and here to assist and if needed will connect you with the right folks from across our team to answer your questions. Let me know.