09-01-2016 07:50 AM
09-01-2016 07:50 AM
Creating a dedicated post to track this. Lots of discussion on this from Yammer, and havent really seen this anywhere here yet..
What is the status of new "Modern" capabilities to support structured navigation?
What structured navigation gives us today:
For years we have had users leverage this navigation structure, because it was easier for them to "grasp" and the extra features that you dont get with just the regular navigation.
Right now, we have almost 500+ sites that leverage structured navigation. We have also as an organization put real emphasis on the Top Global Navigation menu, and not as much on the Left Side Navigation menu (which "Modern" seems to really key off of).
This is one of the items keeping us from moving toward the modern UI, so we dont have to go redesign the navigation of every site just to fit into the new modern world.
If we have to bite the bullet and just touch every site to make it fit in modern, it would also be nice to know that.
09-02-2016 07:29 AM
Thanks for pointing out these issues, I'm working with a client that is getting ready to move from 2013 to SPO and we are trying to figure out how to reorganize sites and what to do about cross-site collection navigation. I'm really struggling with what to recommend, the rapidly changing functionality and lack of clarity from MS make it hard to design an IA and logical stucture that will meet future needs.
09-03-2016 01:01 AM
09-04-2016 11:42 PM
We are also now focussing more on the top navigation.
Next to that for every major site collection and major themed/departemental sites wa have a home - landing - page containing "promoted links"-tiles. These tiles make it visually very easy to find your way around between major related sites and collections.
Would just be so much better if the tiles could be organized as a raster without any customization/script adding.
09-08-2016 11:30 AM
We turned off the new library experience until the navigation issues can be fixed, the majority of our sites are publishing sites and we cant have the navigation not working correctly. I do like the look and feel of the new lists and libraries but will not roll it out to our users until navigation works like it should.
09-16-2016 01:36 PM
Thanks for posting this. We have turned off modern sites until the navigation is working more consistently.
I think the Modern UI should give more tools for building navigation (tiles, menus, other controls).
You can go to the URL for Top Menu and delete off the excess menu choices.
It's like the Top Menu has the Structured Navigation plus a bunch of random stuff. Even though you only see one level of navigation, the second level is in there too.
Be aware though, every time you edit the true Structured navigation, the "extra junk" links all get added back. Very frustrating.
A work in progress no doubt.
Will watch this thread for more news.
09-21-2016 09:10 AM
01-25-2017 09:11 AM
Thank you,+1 here! Currently the only issue completely stopping us from moving the majority of libraries to modern. Would be nice to see this in the pipeline. I guess there are some major updates coming to managing navigation. Can't see why it would take so long to address this otherwise. Would at least be nice to have a temporary support, until something else is in place, so that we can start getting users up to speed on the modern libraries.
On a side note: I measured that the TTFB for opening our libraries is up to 10-15 seconds(!), unlike the new ones which are max 1 second. Yet another reason to move over.
01-31-2017 11:32 PMSolution
@Brent Ellis (and others) - good news! We're finally pushing out a fix to support structured and managed navigation on modern pages/apps in classic sites.
With this update, if you have enabled publishing on a classic team site, your structured or managed navigation nodes will now render correctly in the modern pages (both global and current navigation), including any scoped or audience-targeted links. We haven’t pulled all the classic settings into the modern panels yet, so when you need to edit the navigation nodes the edit link will direct you back to the classic settings page (/areanavigationsettings.aspx).
We hope this unblocks folks who have been eager to move to the modern UX. Do try it out let us know if you have any questions. Thanks!
02-01-2017 06:13 AM
Still a few more roadblocks, but this helps remove one of the major ones!
02-01-2017 06:39 AM
02-01-2017 10:02 AM
Thats awesome, cant wait for it to rollout so we can start using the new lists and libraries once the navigation is working as it should.
02-01-2017 01:55 PM
Is there something obvious we can see to know that our tenant has received this capablity?
02-08-2017 01:34 AM
Hi @Sean Squires , i can't found anything on the fasttrack roadmap. When is this fix planned?
02-08-2017 12:01 PM
Oooh ooh, me want! Looking forward to having this show up. Any rough timeline? Couple weeks?
02-13-2017 09:27 AM
Just noticed the update to the managed navigation, great news and definitely more user friendly already.
However it doesn't seem show sub-links at the moment, is this feature still to come? Thanks
02-13-2017 09:55 AM
02-13-2017 10:27 AM
02-14-2017 01:32 AM
Yes, I have only seen it working in one test susbite, while it doesn't seem to show in another. Not too sure why this might be, but glad to hear I am not the only one confused. Good to seeing things move forward though.
02-23-2017 01:45 AM
@Sean Squires any idea when this will hit all tenants? I'm having issues with Page not Found showing up in modern views even though it's tagged as hidden in the navigation.
02-23-2017 03:31 PM - edited 02-23-2017 03:33 PM
I'm eagerly awaiting this as well. So, with this in place, will the navigation propogate to all sites and subsites on all pages and have both/multi-levels as well? Ultimately, I guess my question is, will the navigation exactly mirror what's on the top level publishing site (if settings are set that way)? I'd also know if there's a way to check this as right now I basically script our navigation to pushed out everywhere and would love to stop doing that.
02-24-2017 09:52 PM
Hi @Sean Squires, we are yet to see this.
Although the navigation is now settled up and the "page not found" link is gone, but the global (top) and current (left-pane) navigations are now the same. The actual global menu is now gone!! We have set it on our sub-sites to inherit from the parent site-collection, but somehow the new nav ignores that and makes the global navigation exactly same as the current (left) one. In our case, both are structural and not managed.
Further, the modern list/library still does not allow metadata filtering! We have set filters on term-sets, but in modern view that is not available. This new style is getting more furstating day by day. Our users still find the classic view more neat and clean. The new view looks very unpolished and unncessarily big.
02-24-2017 09:55 PM - edited 02-24-2017 09:56 PM
@Abhimanyu Singh -- there's no way that what you're seeing with the global and quick launch being the same is how it is supposed to be (I hope). At least, I hope that's not what Microsoft thinks is "fixed" or reasonable......... if so, they have pretty much destroyed the global navigation and any hope that people will move to modern sites quickly.
02-24-2017 10:13 PM
@Clint Lechner see the screenshots that I took for both the classic mode (what it is supposed to be) and the modern mode (what is messed up):
02-24-2017 10:15 PM
@Abhimanyu Singh -- right, my point was that I hope that isn't what is supposed to be happening. That's what I see as well and it certainly isn't what I consider to be working correctly.
02-24-2017 10:46 PM
Yup. Sad part is that Microsoft people aren't as active here as they had been on the older Yammer group. @Sean Squires are you listening?
02-28-2017 03:29 AM
02-28-2017 08:12 AM
Hi @Abhimanyu Singh (and others on this thread!) - my apologies for the radio silence on our part. I was away on family business and inquries on this thread were missed by others. I will review w/ the feature crew this morning and get back to everyone. We are trying to as attentive as we can to folks questions and feedback on this platform - so please do continue reaching out (and @mentioning us to ensure we get the notification)!
A quick summary:
02-28-2017 08:14 AM
02-28-2017 08:18 AM
I'm guessing my dev tenant which is 1st release still hasnt received it yet, because I am still seeing the page not found in the navigation which should be hidden.
When you say rollout is that to 1st release tenants or for all tenants?
02-28-2017 08:19 AM
02-28-2017 08:19 AM
02-28-2017 08:26 AM
Hi @Philine von Guretzky - can you elaborate on your scenario? If you have enabled the publishing feature and wish to display subsites in the nav you'll need to set navigation to structural and select the option "Show subsites". If you are referring to displaying sublinks in a managed nav term set, we do display up to two levels. HTH.
02-28-2017 08:30 AM
02-28-2017 08:38 AM
02-28-2017 08:56 AM
02-28-2017 08:59 AM
Thanks @Abhimanyu Singh - sounds like @Rob O'Keefe is reporting same. We'll take a look; the intended design is the modern page/controls use the same publishing provider navigation settings and render the data similarly.
As for metadata filtering on lists/libraries, we are working on a new experience for this that should be rolling out soon. Adding @Miceile Barrett for notice/comment on that feature.
02-28-2017 09:01 AM
02-28-2017 09:07 AM - edited 03-01-2017 10:58 AM
yep still seeing the page not found in both the global and current navigation for site collections in my dev tenant which is 1st release. I was testing the publishing navigation in my dev tenant and it seems to still not be working correctly. Let me know if you need more info to help troubleshoot this. I have created a few new site collections and enabled publishing on them and seeing the same thing on all of them.
02-28-2017 10:22 AM
Hello @Abhimanyu Singh, I am working on creating the modern list/lib metadata filtering experience and wanted to give you some updates on the progress. Currently, we have released a feature called "filters pane" Filters Pane Help Article. We have just rolled out to PROD so you can expect to see it within the week if you don't already have it!
This feature is the first iteration for replacing metadata nav. The next months will be focused on cleaning up the UI, supporting term set filtering, and making sure metadata nav will no longer force users to back to SP classic.
02-28-2017 10:39 AM
@Sean Squires -- to be clear, you're saying the intended functionality should have the modern pages duplicate/inherit the global navigation and current navigation? Meaning the global and current navigation should not be the same, correct?
02-28-2017 11:07 AM
FYI, for those people having issues where the global and current navigation is the same, an alternative is to use managed navigation for the top level for global navigation. It seems that modern pages DO seem to inherit the managed navigation correctly. Yes, I know, it's not perfect but things are inherited just fine that way.
Hey, it's a step.............
02-28-2017 12:56 PM
02-28-2017 01:02 PM
02-28-2017 08:56 PM
02-28-2017 09:00 PM
02-28-2017 09:02 PM
Thank you @Miceile Barrett. Yes, we can see the filter pane, but that includes only a limited number of the list fields and no metadata terms. We look forward for the full metadata filtering options. It is good to know that you are working on this.
02-28-2017 09:04 PM
03-01-2017 04:18 AM
@Sean Squires- I've since found more problems with the managed navigation in Global. While the navigation looks fairly normal (except for the fact that the final level of navigation, the flyouts to the right, are missing), all the links drop "/sites/SiteCollectionName/" from the URL behind them, so none work. Also, for the links displayed across the top, I have to double click on them to go to the link (which, of course, has the wrong URL). The links in the drop-downs require only a single click, but, like the others, are missing the "/sites/SiteCollectionName/" part in the middle of the URL. This is a normal tenant - nothing in first release. All using IE 11.
Finallly, in classic mode, hovering over any of the links shows the URL at the bottom left of the browser. In modern mode, the URLs are not shown.