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Windows 10 v1709 AMA - Why has Creators Update Fall treated creators so badly?
Please please provide an off switch for the new pen scrolling/panning feature. It breaks SO MANY things!
The work-around with having to hold the right click pen barrel button is really awful because: 1. That's supposed to open a context sensitive menu. 2. Having to hold the button means having to hold the pen differently. 3. Some Windows 10 tablet pens (such as the Samsung Galaxy Book) do not have a right-click barrel button so in those cases many functions are actually impossible. 4. It's extremely unintuitive. Previously, I could tap & drag everything with ease... move files, rearrange start menu tiles, resize calendar appointments, drag/drop whatever. Now doing those types of things are much more difficult and much less efficient. It's a huge crutch on our workflows.
The new behavior also interferes heavily with the Wacom drivers used in Wacom pen displays, the Wacom MobileStudio Pro, and the new HP Zbook x2. Thankfully, those devices have a checkbox in the driver to disable "Windows Ink", however when the Windows Ink is in use, the new pen scrolling behavior causes major problems. For example, an easy repro scenario is to right click the address bar in Micosoft Edge using the pen's barrel button (Wacom hardware with Windows Ink on)... The whole system will become unresponsive after that right click. I've reproduced this on 2 devices as well as a workstation with a pen display plugged in. It affects other things too like not being able to move objects in InDesign, causing hangs in Adobe Bridge, etc.
I've also got a few tablets that use the Microsoft N-Trig pens and those have issues as well, but do not have the advantage of being able to switch off "Windows Ink". It's really made the pen interface into a terrible user experience.
There are a http://pocketnow.com/2017/07/29/windows-10-fall-creators-update in back in July when this new behavior was first being introduced to Windows Insiders. Some of those were fixed somewhat, but it still shouldn't have been released without an off switch. It should have been an Opt-In feature I think.
I hope an off switch will be available before the "Current Branch for Business" gets the Fall Creators Update!
Here's some more feedback hub links:
https://aka.ms/Cth1bj
https://aka.ms/Nm2ba8
https://aka.ms/Senlr6
https://aka.ms/U7g3yd
https://aka.ms/Rx0k5l
https://aka.ms/L3qw8q
This one is very important: "Always provide off switch for terrible new features"
https://aka.ms/Fg7wme
Tim,
Might be worth re-posting your forensic post to the Edge forum below, as it looks like it is being actively monitored and to be frank I'm not sure this forum is. The issue has been recognised by the moderating Dev as being far wider than an isolated Edge issue alone and has undertaken to bring pressure to bear on the Ink team responsible for this dire decision.
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platform/issues/14277341/#comment-50
Hello everyone. Microsoft has created a Collection in the feedback hub regarding this issue. So far 99 upvotes. Make sure you go there, upvote and add your comments. Hopefully they will revert this change or add option sooner rather than later.
Link: https://aka.ms/Bltdx5
Make sure they understand the scope of the changes, and not only scrolling. Text selextion, flicks, behaviour needs to be completely reverted.
Build 17604 on Windows Insiders Skip Ahead ring is even worse. Now the right-click barrel button hold-down hack doesn't work either. No way at all to select text with a "Windows Ink" pen. Here's a video: https://twitter.com/adamzea/status/968518722188206080
Can you copy this across to;
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platform/issues/14277341/
as I know that forum is being monitored by the Windows Team responsible for this fiasco.
The good news is the worse the pen issue becomes the more users it will effect, forcing MS to finally put this right. Hopefully the next build will disable pen use altogether which should move the issue to the top of the pile.
Yeah, I wish I could copy/paste that to the other forum! Can't select that text!! I'll have to use a device with build 1703 so I can select stuff in web pages. :)