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Windows 10 v1709 AMA - Why has Creators Update Fall treated creators so badly?
- Dec 07, 2017
Please please provide an off switch for the new pen scrolling/panning feature. It breaks SO MANY things!
The work-around with having to hold the right click pen barrel button is really awful because: 1. That's supposed to open a context sensitive menu. 2. Having to hold the button means having to hold the pen differently. 3. Some Windows 10 tablet pens (such as the Samsung Galaxy Book) do not have a right-click barrel button so in those cases many functions are actually impossible. 4. It's extremely unintuitive. Previously, I could tap & drag everything with ease... move files, rearrange start menu tiles, resize calendar appointments, drag/drop whatever. Now doing those types of things are much more difficult and much less efficient. It's a huge crutch on our workflows.
The new behavior also interferes heavily with the Wacom drivers used in Wacom pen displays, the Wacom MobileStudio Pro, and the new HP Zbook x2. Thankfully, those devices have a checkbox in the driver to disable "Windows Ink", however when the Windows Ink is in use, the new pen scrolling behavior causes major problems. For example, an easy repro scenario is to right click the address bar in Micosoft Edge using the pen's barrel button (Wacom hardware with Windows Ink on)... The whole system will become unresponsive after that right click. I've reproduced this on 2 devices as well as a workstation with a pen display plugged in. It affects other things too like not being able to move objects in InDesign, causing hangs in Adobe Bridge, etc.
I've also got a few tablets that use the Microsoft N-Trig pens and those have issues as well, but do not have the advantage of being able to switch off "Windows Ink". It's really made the pen interface into a terrible user experience.
There are a http://pocketnow.com/2017/07/29/windows-10-fall-creators-update in back in July when this new behavior was first being introduced to Windows Insiders. Some of those were fixed somewhat, but it still shouldn't have been released without an off switch. It should have been an Opt-In feature I think.
I hope an off switch will be available before the "Current Branch for Business" gets the Fall Creators Update!
Here's some more feedback hub links:
https://aka.ms/Cth1bj
https://aka.ms/Nm2ba8
https://aka.ms/Senlr6
https://aka.ms/U7g3yd
https://aka.ms/Rx0k5l
https://aka.ms/L3qw8q
This one is very important: "Always provide off switch for terrible new features"
https://aka.ms/Fg7wme
And I go back in time even further with the penabled Acer TravelMate C210 bought in 2007. After that revelation in user interface (pre iPhone launch) it was slate style all the way for me. 10 years later it looks like I'll now be saying bye to my final Windows slate style tablet PC.
All good things come to an end and it's been a fantastic ride up until the last month or so.
Ditto. Acer C312x, Dell something that was a tablet convertible, 2 Thinkpad X200Ts, Lenovo X1 Yoga 1st gen, and now X1 Yoga 2nd gen. Can't imagine going back, which is why I'm going to see what a Linux build can give me, with my Yoga 1st gen.
- Miroslav SevcikDec 20, 2017Copper Contributorlam going to install Ubuntu on the weekend and will be switching to google.
I was on board with MS for over 15 years and l was ok with minor bugs or occasional DSOD...
But when CE0 send a message that MS no longer care about consumer market (which is sad, but still understandable) and focus on Enterprise instead.
But the end result is Pushing untested updates and zero interest in fixing what they broke clearly sends the message that Mr. Nadella is living in some stupid dream that MS is still in monopol position. I give you 10-15 years and MS will end up as Nokia.
Two years ago it seemed that they knew what needs to be done and they had a vision.
this year they keep cancelling products and ignore issues that their customers have.
This will back fire pretty hard and soon.
What lam 100% sure that I will never buy Surface product again. I love them, but testing is my profession and I get paid for that.
Getting surface is paying MS to test for them LOL