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AskMP
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Jun 22, 2020
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Teams NDI status?

Can we get a status on the release of NDI within Teams? There are a bunch of us trying to find the best solution for event coordination and have been prioritized to avoid Zoom. With how Skype handles NDI outputs being all but unusable, we're all gunning for Teams to step up and be the solution but aside from the initial announcement, there has been zero feedback on how it will handle things like forced watermarks, audio mixing, or return video allowed to be NDI as well.

There are quite a few even in the circles that I partake in that would be VERY interested in more information such as how it handles audio (comparatively to Skype's terrible decision to mix-down), the watermark requirements, HX compatibility, and whether it will allow for NDI as an input source or whether we need to create a virtual camera with it.

  • Hi AskMP 

     

    Nothing on the Microsoft 365 roadmap currently

     

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/microsoft-365/roadmap?filters=Microsoft%20Teams%2CIn%20development&searchterms=NDI

     

    The official build announcement states coming soon

     

    https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams-blog/what-s-new-in-microsoft-teams-build-edition-2020/ba-p/1394224

     

    The book of news actually states June, see article 2.1.5

     

    https://news.microsoft.com/build-2020-book-of-news/

     

    With new Skype TX interoperability for Microsoft Teams rolling out in May and NDI support available worldwide in June, customers can use Teams to create online conferences, interviews, press briefings, entertainment and other productions. They also can reach audiences through internet social channels and streaming platforms, television broadcasts or websites.

    Producers can plan and manage events in Teams, which integrates collaboration, work management and real-time communication with chat, calling and meetings. Expanding on the existing live event solution that allows for anyone to easily share webcams and screens to thousands of viewers, now Teams is introducing these more advanced production options for customized, high-scale broadcasts.

    NDI for Teams, available in June, transforms the feeds of a Teams Meeting into discrete audio/video sources for a production tool or streaming app to provide professional capabilities for broadcasts that help turn a Teams meeting into a virtual stage

     

     

    So, considering the timeframes I would imagine we will be hearing more very soon, and likely roll out sometime in Q3 CY2020 (July - Sep) given it's already the end of June. 

     

    Hope that answers your question

     

    Best, Chris

     

  • Steve_Lawson's avatar
    Steve_Lawson
    Copper Contributor

    It would seem that the feature is enabled and my sys admin has confirmed he has enabled NDI for our site however on my client I am not seeing the option to turn on NDI within teams 

    Any thoughts, have we missed a setting in the admin panel?

    • SimpliWiFi's avatar
      SimpliWiFi
      Copper Contributor

      Steve_Lawson We have exactly the same issue, I have enabled it in the global settings but noting on the client, this was enabled over 24 hours ago.

       

      Any one got any suggestions?

       

       

  • AskMP's avatar
    AskMP
    Brass Contributor

    For me, this is already a HUGE failure on Pernille-Eskebo's part:


    Individual users: Each individual user will have a stream available over NDI. The incoming audio for a meeting is mixed together and will be the same for all individual user streams. These streams will display the video at the same quality that is being received by the client.

     

    This is the same functionality as Skype's implementation and it's one that we were hoping would not be the case. Having a mix-down of all the audio combined causes all but 1 NDI output to be de-synced due to simple latency within the NDI protocol. The fact that this is the case almost negates the purpose of waiting for this functionality. If you have only 1 guest + screen, sure... it will be fine. But more than 1 person and this method of mixing down all the external audio into each NDI video feed is absolutely unacceptable practice.

  • SuleimanDC's avatar
    SuleimanDC
    Iron Contributor

    AskMP NDI Seems to be working for me now. I am not able to properly test it at the moment.

  • SuleimanDC's avatar
    SuleimanDC
    Iron Contributor

    AskMP I just noticed the "Allow NDI streaming" setting in the admin centre but still no communication or documentation.

    • Carter Seely's avatar
      Carter Seely
      Copper Contributor

      SuleimanDC I checked our tenant as well and it is showing up in ours as well. hopefully that means Microsoft is getting closer to releasing. 

      • bdinnocenzo's avatar
        bdinnocenzo
        Copper Contributor

        Carter Seely looks like it is also showing up on our tenant.  Has anyone actually enabled it and tried to use it?

  • Jonathan210's avatar
    Jonathan210
    Copper Contributor
    Hi there, I too am waiting to here. Sibos 2020 is happening in September and we need NDI available by then, I don't think Microsoft have any idea how useful it would be. Everything is geared around streaming and not recording, no doubt it will cost more as well. The fact it has taken this long is mind boggling, oh well, relying on Microsoft for something video related, big mistake. Sort it out!!
  • AskMP's avatar
    AskMP
    Brass Contributor

    Several days now and still no responses or replies? Not even a "Hold tight, we'll be announcing information X"?

    • Hi AskMP 

       

      Nothing on the Microsoft 365 roadmap currently

       

      https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/microsoft-365/roadmap?filters=Microsoft%20Teams%2CIn%20development&searchterms=NDI

       

      The official build announcement states coming soon

       

      https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams-blog/what-s-new-in-microsoft-teams-build-edition-2020/ba-p/1394224

       

      The book of news actually states June, see article 2.1.5

       

      https://news.microsoft.com/build-2020-book-of-news/

       

      With new Skype TX interoperability for Microsoft Teams rolling out in May and NDI support available worldwide in June, customers can use Teams to create online conferences, interviews, press briefings, entertainment and other productions. They also can reach audiences through internet social channels and streaming platforms, television broadcasts or websites.

      Producers can plan and manage events in Teams, which integrates collaboration, work management and real-time communication with chat, calling and meetings. Expanding on the existing live event solution that allows for anyone to easily share webcams and screens to thousands of viewers, now Teams is introducing these more advanced production options for customized, high-scale broadcasts.

      NDI for Teams, available in June, transforms the feeds of a Teams Meeting into discrete audio/video sources for a production tool or streaming app to provide professional capabilities for broadcasts that help turn a Teams meeting into a virtual stage

       

       

      So, considering the timeframes I would imagine we will be hearing more very soon, and likely roll out sometime in Q3 CY2020 (July - Sep) given it's already the end of June. 

       

      Hope that answers your question

       

      Best, Chris

       

      • AskMP's avatar
        AskMP
        Brass Contributor

        ChrisHoardMVP Thanks for that. With it stating that a June release and with the amount of industry professionals I know, I'm just VERY curious to now why I haven't even heard from anybody who has actually used it. Without going into names, I work closely and alongside a lot of event and live production people, yet none of them have seen even demos of this in play. With it being a "June release" and it also being now June 25th, it is truly bizarre that there has been zero release of expected functionality considering that Microsoft is trying to push Teams to be a tool for professionals to use in replacement of Zoom, Slack, and others.

        My interest is simply to get more information for all of us. The Skype TX isn't a solution for a lot of us, and Skype currently, while does have NDI out, is not a viable option in many cases simply due to how the engineering team decided to treat the audio. We're (as in the crews behind the scenes) are biting at the chomp for details and a more refined timeline of expectations as we need to start planning for events even so far as the fall and early winter seasons.

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