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Trim feature removed in new Stream?
Has the trim feature been removed in both the new (SharePoint) Stream and tradtional Stream interface?
I discovered this today when attempting to trim a video recorded from a Teams meeting. The trim feature was available recently when video recordings of Teams meetings were accessed in OneDrive.
I know that not having trim in Stream (on SharePoint) is painful. Full video editing will come with clipchamp being added to enterprise later this year.
It's been a long road for us in the product group to get to a plan for what to do in Stream. We apologize for how long it's taken us. It's not easy for us to just add back the ability that was in Stream (Classic) to SharePoint, the underlying architecture and storage is very different.
Thank you for all the feedback you've shared and all the votes in the ideas forum. We've finally been able to land on a design for a simple trim option directly in Stream. We aren't able to share a timeline or roadmap item yet until we get further on the engineering design and start coding.
Feel free to keep adding your votes and comments to this item in the Ideas forum. (I consolidated the other few ideas into this single one that joined all the votes together):
Support for video trimming (start, end, & middle) · Community (microsoft.com)
Please bring back the trim feature. Recently had a recording go long and capture a sensitive conversation. It's a challenge to rectify unless the trim feature exists!
- I need to cut my Teams's recorded videos... please, do it simple!
- I agree with the other comments that this is a crucial feature in order to trim things after the meeting easily as I have enough to do during meeting setup to mind starting recording at exact right time....
So I always need to trim some minutes in the beginning and in the end.
The feature you have now is great!
Something similar would be very appreciated, or I could change the all-hands meeting to YouTube and handle it there instead...
Hoping for a positive feedback reg trimming feature. (BTW, my surface tablet would die under flickergate symptoms if I were to edit video on it...) BHBrookfield Crucial feature, please bring back Trim ASAP
- Marc Mroz
Microsoft
Any of you who want a Trim feature for videos in ODB/SPO for Stream (on SharePoint), can you add your votes and comments to this idea in the feedback portal?
Can you also give us more details about when and how you need to trim? More information would really help us figure out the right way to build this into ODB/SPO and/or Clipchamp.
Example useful info you could provide us:
- Does your primary use case need the trimmed out part of the video to be fully removed from the video so no one can see it ever? Or would hiding parts of the video be enough?
- What types of videos are you needing to trim?
- What are you trimming out of the video and why?
- Do the videos you are wanting to trim already have extra enhancements on them (chapters, transcript, etc)?
Edit & Trim Video Recording in new Stream like Stream Classic · Community (microsoft.com)
Please bring back the "Trim Video" feature per the reasons below. Meanwhile, is there an alternative solution besides downloading the video to a different application and performing the video trimming there?
- Does your primary use case need the trimmed out part of the video to be fully removed from the video so no one can see it ever? Or would hiding parts of the video be enough?
- I need to fully remove part of the video permanently
- What types of videos are you needing to trim?
- Meeting or Training videos recording using MS Teams
- What are you trimming out of the video and why?
- The beginning and the end of the meeting (as many time user forgets to click 'Stop Recording')
- The middle part of the video (for example if in the middle part of the video, I had to type in user name or password to log into an application as part of the Training video, then I want to remove that section completely).
- Do the videos you are wanting to trim already have extra enhancements on them (chapters, transcript, etc)?
- Usually not, but some training videos could have enhancements like chapters, etc.
- Does your primary use case need the trimmed out part of the video to be fully removed from the video so no one can see it ever? Or would hiding parts of the video be enough?
- In 'Classic' Microsoft style, release a replacement platform with less features than the previous platform. Trim is absolutely essential - how you could release this system without it, is just laughable. As someone previous said, and I will echo: "Do better, Microsoft" 🙄
- This is ridiculous. Stream {Classic} worked just fine. Stream on Sharepoint is like rummaging through other peoples drawers.
Trim is absolutely essential. Recording starts as soon as anyone joins. I often have to trim 10 minutes of video. I can't believe we've been talking about this for 8 months with no action. - Marc MrozWe don't have trim for videos in onedrive or SharePoint. Only in Stream (Classic). We are trying to build a simple version into the new experience. We are thinking of doing a default start and end time for the video. The video would start at that point and pause at end point but users could see and jump to parts outside these points.
Would that meet your need in the short term while we build a more complicated trim feature or until clipchamp for full video editing is available?- I agree with others that trimming/editing videos is a core feature, and it's not helpful if you have to edit your videos in a different software then re-upload. Having a default start/end time will only confuse users why their video started 5 minutes into the recording. That would make me think it was a technical glitch and I missed something.
I agree that this was a vital feature. I used it every single time I worked with meeting recordings that later needed to be published for replay by our workforce. I specifically began meeting recordings with buffer time at the front end, knowing that I had the option to trim the dead space at the beginning as well as the chatter among participants there too. Discovering today that this feature has been removed has created work and a delay for me and leaves me having to download separate software to manage my meeting recordings. It is a step backward.
Marc Mroz simply - no - trim is incredibly useful - please do not remove it. Add it into the functionality on videos in OneDrive and SharePoint areas. Meetings need the pre and post chat removed.
- Why would you take away such a simple and very important feature. Especially when it was standard before and then you find out you can no longer trim. Please bring this feature back and as soon as possible.
That. Or at least offer a free tool to integrate seamless, to provide in this crucial need.
And/or offer open integration with other tools with this capability.- Marc Mroz
We are working on brining trim and full video edit to M365 via clipchamp in later 2023. We are also working on some ideas where we can also have a simple hide option on the video directly in Stream.
We hear your feedback that not having Trim like was in Stream (Classic) is painful. It's not a trivial or quick thing for us to build so it's taking a while to come up with the right plan and investment level for Stream with clipchamp for full trim and edit capabilities already under development.
Please continue to add your votes and comments to this idea:
- Marc Mroz
I will try and briefly address feedback and give an update.
clipchamp for full video editing is rolling out for M365 licenses. We know it’s not trim and not optimized for a quick trim of an existing video, but it will be the way for hard edits needed to fully remove parts of a video. keep the feedback coming as you use clipchamp and what you need in terms of better functionality with Stream and integration with the rest of M365.
We are also working on what we are calling soft trimming, that is built into Stream directly. It will allow you to do a quick trim on beginning, middle, or end of the video via metadata. It hides the trimmed out parts for viewers. But editors can see the full video. This is an instant trim because it’s just hiding parts via metadata, there is no rendering of a new video and no download or upload. We know that we can’t get this out fast enough. It’s a hard project across 5 or so different teams to make this work. We are trying to get it released as fast as possible.
Trim is a bit interesting because clearly all of you here and on the ideas forum feel it’s a very important feature based on the out pouring of feedback and votes. However when we look at usage of trim in Stream (Classic) historically and in recent past, the usage is very tiny. A very small percentage of videos ever got trimmed in Stream (Classic). My guess is that it’s such a pain to use other tools to download, trim, and reupload that even if trimming happens infrequently it’s super valuable to have it directly integrated into stream.
So we are sorry it’s not released yet and took us so long to get started on, but we hear you, and are working on it as fast as we can now.
I’ve seen the very first bits of code in our internal testing environment in the last few weeks. So it’s coming along but it’s not ready yet. Thank you for your patience.
Marc Mroz thanks for this update and it sounds like the instant trim would work well for many cases, and thankfully new Stream videos now seem to download as mp4s instead of webm.
In terms of feedback about Clipchamp, I just tried editing with Clipchamp today for the first time to give it a go. For a quick and dirty edit of a boring meeting video that only needs some basic splitting, cleaning and the addition of a title slide or two I'm way faster using the basic Video Editor in Microsoft Photos. I get that Clipchamp can do a lot more but I really don't need anything fancy and it's not as intuitive. In fact I couldn't quickly figure out how to add a title slide on it's own rather than a transition over the top of my video and was on deadline so I gave up and didn't bother which will make it trickier to navigate for those who watch because they didn't make the meeting.Marc Mroz That is helpful - every video that I have posted has needed a trim...
Now -as to the entire replacement of Classic - you are doing us a great disservice in functionality, tbh... At this point with the way that the new stream works, I almost feel that I would be better off just posting to YouTube or making our own internal service for the needs that we have ... If you are replacing, you really should have something that has feature parity before discontinuing a service - and the new Stream is in no way that....
- I'll add my reply to the post linked in the comment, but to put simply- yes. My office has come to use and depend on the feature. One of the most challenging things about promoting and encouraging the use of cloud services is when an interface changes (e.g., Stream Classic to Stream SharePoint) and features that users rely on are removed. IT personnel and power users wind up holding the bag and trying to make excuses for Microsoft while our bosses and users both get angry.
