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Trim feature removed in new Stream?
Has the trim feature been removed in both the new (SharePoint) Stream and tradtional Stream interface?
I discovered this today when attempting to trim a video recorded from a Teams meeting. The trim feature was available recently when video recordings of Teams meetings were accessed in OneDrive.
I know that not having trim in Stream (on SharePoint) is painful. Full video editing will come with clipchamp being added to enterprise later this year.
It's been a long road for us in the product group to get to a plan for what to do in Stream. We apologize for how long it's taken us. It's not easy for us to just add back the ability that was in Stream (Classic) to SharePoint, the underlying architecture and storage is very different.
Thank you for all the feedback you've shared and all the votes in the ideas forum. We've finally been able to land on a design for a simple trim option directly in Stream. We aren't able to share a timeline or roadmap item yet until we get further on the engineering design and start coding.
Feel free to keep adding your votes and comments to this item in the Ideas forum. (I consolidated the other few ideas into this single one that joined all the votes together):
Support for video trimming (start, end, & middle) · Community (microsoft.com)
- With the greatest respect to those that are contributing, which is always appreciated, recommending anything like Chimpclip or whatever it is is completely irrelevant to this thread: The question as asked (as far as I understand) all stems from Microsoft, for some bizarre reason, removing the trim feature from videos already uploaded WITHIN SHAREPOINT. Same link. Same location. That means trimming a video where it is (or was) already stored. Any use of an external video editing app or software is not helpful as it involves downloading, storing it somewhere else, perhaps re-uploading. NONE of these steps are wanted. There are hundreds, perhaps, of editing apps out there that are irrelevant, even if they are available from within 365 or whatever. We just want this essential trim feature back. Microsoft, please listen and act on the wishes of your users. And 'this decade' would be nice.... 😞
Tim_J_E Microsoft owns Clipchamp and it is being integrated into all tenants (except GCC and Education at this time) as part of your license. This is their recommendation. You can open Clipchamp from the applauncher and open your file from SharePoint to edit.
From there select My Content.
It will open up a view similar to OneDrive and you can select Cloud Files and your SharePoint site and the file from there to trim it.
Microsoft is in the middle of giving us more than just trimming off the beginning or the end of a video. They are going to give you the ability to "hide" any part of the video from viewers that you want to. That is in development, was shown at Ignite on Wednesday, and is captured in line 23 of this spreadsheet that tracks Stream features - https://aka.ms/StreamClassicToSPFeatureList. They just don't have a delivery date for it yet.
Here is the video of the new features that are coming. Check the lower left corner of the video for an estimated timeline for each feature they go through.
Microsoft Stream: The Future of Video in Microsoft 365 (youtube.com)- Marc Mroz
Microsoft
Thanks everyone for your feedback and suggestions. We hear you, on a simple trim within Stream without having to make a whole new video. We are working on it as fast as we can.
See this part of our “what’s new” video at 3:59 for a demo of the coming trim ability:
- Marc Mroz
I will try and briefly address feedback and give an update.
clipchamp for full video editing is rolling out for M365 licenses. We know it’s not trim and not optimized for a quick trim of an existing video, but it will be the way for hard edits needed to fully remove parts of a video. keep the feedback coming as you use clipchamp and what you need in terms of better functionality with Stream and integration with the rest of M365.
We are also working on what we are calling soft trimming, that is built into Stream directly. It will allow you to do a quick trim on beginning, middle, or end of the video via metadata. It hides the trimmed out parts for viewers. But editors can see the full video. This is an instant trim because it’s just hiding parts via metadata, there is no rendering of a new video and no download or upload. We know that we can’t get this out fast enough. It’s a hard project across 5 or so different teams to make this work. We are trying to get it released as fast as possible.
Trim is a bit interesting because clearly all of you here and on the ideas forum feel it’s a very important feature based on the out pouring of feedback and votes. However when we look at usage of trim in Stream (Classic) historically and in recent past, the usage is very tiny. A very small percentage of videos ever got trimmed in Stream (Classic). My guess is that it’s such a pain to use other tools to download, trim, and reupload that even if trimming happens infrequently it’s super valuable to have it directly integrated into stream.
So we are sorry it’s not released yet and took us so long to get started on, but we hear you, and are working on it as fast as we can now.
I’ve seen the very first bits of code in our internal testing environment in the last few weeks. So it’s coming along but it’s not ready yet. Thank you for your patience.
First time I have to trim a recording because I forgot to stop it at the right time. Clipchamp is easy to use but the results are very poor. An original recording that is 127MB, became a 500+MB recording after trimming.
Clipchamp should have an option to keep original recording quality. It is extremely frustrating to see the size multiply by 3-4x.
The metadata shortcut seems ideal as long as the recording can be downloaded with the new size.
In the meantime, I have found an open-source app that can trim a video keeping the original encoding and quality and reducing its size according to the length after trim. It is called Avidemux.
Update, for the first time today, I saw "Edit in Clipchamp" as an option in SharePoint/Stream files. It opened the video in a new browser and immediately began uploading the video. I quit the window as it was not my intention to start testing yet. But I did see a folder get auto created in the Teams File library where the original file was saved. In fact it is named "Video Project" Inside it are other folders and the .clipchamp file.
So more files to eat up space for sure. Uploading/Downloading clearly not efficient but lets see if it solves the problem of dead space in Teams meeting recordings...
- Thank you for the update.
- We need this functionality back ASAP!
Its October 11, 2023 and I still see that this has not been implemented. I started a teams meeting 10 minutes before we needed to and it was set to automatically record. Now I have 10 minutes of just me before the meeting started, with no way to trim, without downloading to another service, and re-uploading to Stream. What gives? When will this be implemented?
- kcheyne it just showed up in my Targeted Release tenant. It wasn't there last week. So maybe you will get it this week also.
- Does anyone have Clipchamp in their org yet? I'm on targeted release channel but still not appearing (Oct 2023).
- I'm just using the preinstalled desktop version on my Surface Pro.
- Unfortunately, no.
BHBrookfieldturns out it will only be available in Microsoft 365 E3, and NOT "Office 365 E3" which is what we were on. I switched over to MS 365 E3 and it was available immediately on my targeted release account.
That said, Clipchamp is very disappointing. This is not replacement for Trim - it's an awkward workaround with its own issues.
- You still have to process the files for export. You're not trimming the file that appears in the Teams chat. You can import that file from Onedrive, but it ultimately results in a new exported file that you need to share & upload.
- My usage is also combining meeting files. After 4 hours Teams splits the mp4's to a new file, which needs to be combined for my purpose. Combining two mp4's results in a huge size increase in the Clipchamp export. Two files (about 2gb combined) became a 5gb export at 720p. It also took 45-50 minutes. In fairness this is similar processing time to Premier, though is unnecessary to re-process. The original quality is fine. All I need is trim + combine - no need to reprocess.
- Still have to upload the exported file to Onedrive, which takes even more time especially with a 5gb file.
- What a shocker for such a core and obviously much needed feature.
I checked the published roadmap and still nothing like a trim feature coming down the pipeline...
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/microsoft-365/roadmap?filters=Microsoft%20Stream%2CIn%20development - I am truly impressed... replace an existing product with a less functional one, remove a key feature and more than a year later still nothing. This morning we left a webinar and the organizers forgot to stop the recording... Now we have a 4 hour recording for a 90 minute webinar. 1) why does the recording not stop after everyone has left 2) why can't I trim the video directly in Stream ? Ridiculous.
- Please add trim in Stream on Sharepoint. If you are retiring Stream Classic, add that valuable feature back. I generally "trim" all our recordings. Plus with trim, it allows us to save the file as an mp4,
- I can imagine that rolling out a big change like this has not been easy for those involved. However, as an above-average user in this arena (as a lecturer I have all sorts of videos from teams for multiple courses across multiple classes... my needs to be able to control, trim, edit, select, change rights and share etc. have been essential. I have spent a very, very frustrating week trying to find out what the hell has gone on with what I now know you are calling "Stream (Classic)". I feel like I have been left completely in the dark. Changes imposed on me without warning. A massive loss of functionality that is having a direct impact on my ability to do MY WORK. And I'm still not there yet. But what I can add is that I have wasted perhaps days of my time trying to negotiate my way around this unwanted and unwelcome change..... So, as difficult as it was for you to conceive and implement changes - it is your job (for which I assume you get paid) it has been more difficult for us on the receiving end of this upheaval. We don't get paid for our lost time and efficiency.
I cannot but wonder if this is a back-door method of reducing/controlling the amount of data used by pulling us off collective storage... instead making ALL videos we create even in Teams get saved against personal OneDrive/Sharepoint storage space ?? That feels wrong and worries me as a concept.... (security?)
In short: TRIM IS ESSENTIAL. And Channels. AND GROUPS etc. AND full uploads. Basically all the functionality as it was before would be fine...... but I guess that ship has sailed. 😞
