Forum Discussion
Trim feature removed in new Stream?
I know that not having trim in Stream (on SharePoint) is painful. Full video editing will come with clipchamp being added to enterprise later this year.
It's been a long road for us in the product group to get to a plan for what to do in Stream. We apologize for how long it's taken us. It's not easy for us to just add back the ability that was in Stream (Classic) to SharePoint, the underlying architecture and storage is very different.
Thank you for all the feedback you've shared and all the votes in the ideas forum. We've finally been able to land on a design for a simple trim option directly in Stream. We aren't able to share a timeline or roadmap item yet until we get further on the engineering design and start coding.
Feel free to keep adding your votes and comments to this item in the Ideas forum. (I consolidated the other few ideas into this single one that joined all the votes together):
Support for video trimming (start, end, & middle) · Community (microsoft.com)
MicrosoftI will try and briefly address feedback and give an update.
clipchamp for full video editing is rolling out for M365 licenses. We know it’s not trim and not optimized for a quick trim of an existing video, but it will be the way for hard edits needed to fully remove parts of a video. keep the feedback coming as you use clipchamp and what you need in terms of better functionality with Stream and integration with the rest of M365.
We are also working on what we are calling soft trimming, that is built into Stream directly. It will allow you to do a quick trim on beginning, middle, or end of the video via metadata. It hides the trimmed out parts for viewers. But editors can see the full video. This is an instant trim because it’s just hiding parts via metadata, there is no rendering of a new video and no download or upload. We know that we can’t get this out fast enough. It’s a hard project across 5 or so different teams to make this work. We are trying to get it released as fast as possible.
Trim is a bit interesting because clearly all of you here and on the ideas forum feel it’s a very important feature based on the out pouring of feedback and votes. However when we look at usage of trim in Stream (Classic) historically and in recent past, the usage is very tiny. A very small percentage of videos ever got trimmed in Stream (Classic). My guess is that it’s such a pain to use other tools to download, trim, and reupload that even if trimming happens infrequently it’s super valuable to have it directly integrated into stream.
So we are sorry it’s not released yet and took us so long to get started on, but we hear you, and are working on it as fast as we can now.
I’ve seen the very first bits of code in our internal testing environment in the last few weeks. So it’s coming along but it’s not ready yet. Thank you for your patience.
First time I have to trim a recording because I forgot to stop it at the right time. Clipchamp is easy to use but the results are very poor. An original recording that is 127MB, became a 500+MB recording after trimming.
Clipchamp should have an option to keep original recording quality. It is extremely frustrating to see the size multiply by 3-4x.
The metadata shortcut seems ideal as long as the recording can be downloaded with the new size.
In the meantime, I have found an open-source app that can trim a video keeping the original encoding and quality and reducing its size according to the length after trim. It is called Avidemux.
Update, for the first time today, I saw "Edit in Clipchamp" as an option in SharePoint/Stream files. It opened the video in a new browser and immediately began uploading the video. I quit the window as it was not my intention to start testing yet. But I did see a folder get auto created in the Teams File library where the original file was saved. In fact it is named "Video Project" Inside it are other folders and the .clipchamp file.
So more files to eat up space for sure. Uploading/Downloading clearly not efficient but lets see if it solves the problem of dead space in Teams meeting recordings...
- Thank you for the update.
Marc Mroz thanks for this update and it sounds like the instant trim would work well for many cases, and thankfully new Stream videos now seem to download as mp4s instead of webm.
In terms of feedback about Clipchamp, I just tried editing with Clipchamp today for the first time to give it a go. For a quick and dirty edit of a boring meeting video that only needs some basic splitting, cleaning and the addition of a title slide or two I'm way faster using the basic Video Editor in Microsoft Photos. I get that Clipchamp can do a lot more but I really don't need anything fancy and it's not as intuitive. In fact I couldn't quickly figure out how to add a title slide on it's own rather than a transition over the top of my video and was on deadline so I gave up and didn't bother which will make it trickier to navigate for those who watch because they didn't make the meeting.Marc Mroz That is helpful - every video that I have posted has needed a trim...
Now -as to the entire replacement of Classic - you are doing us a great disservice in functionality, tbh... At this point with the way that the new stream works, I almost feel that I would be better off just posting to YouTube or making our own internal service for the needs that we have ... If you are replacing, you really should have something that has feature parity before discontinuing a service - and the new Stream is in no way that....
