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Support for M365 Apps (O365) on Windows 2022
- Sep 06, 2022
First off I would like to thank everyone for the feedback and apologize for the delay in responding to this thread. Your feedback has made a difference, and sparked many internal discussions... we have customers running M365 on WS2016 and WS2019 today, and we want to enable staying current and secure being able to upgrade to WS2022.
<UPDATED EDIT> In response to your feedback we have announced support for M365 on Windows Server 2022, please see this link for additional information:
Windows Server end of support and Microsoft 365 Apps - Deploy Office | Microsoft Learn
Again, thank you for your feedback and passion!!
Elden Christensen
Principal Group PM Manager
Windows Server Development Team
The irony of this whole thread is that software vendors are pushing their applications into SaaS software models (as per O365/M365), which at least in theory means the need for RDS/VDI reduces as these become browser based. This is of course not a real world scenario as so many companies have legacy sunset / specialist software or secure use cases and they still need RDS/VDI to access it. Of course Microsoft may argue that Single User Windows 10/11 is now available to everyone at a lower cost point, especially with the recent CSP licensing changes - but this does not provide the flexibility and cost point for most customers that just want RDS (or its replacement).
From a commercial perspective the Evergreen Subscription model is great, but companies tend to work on fixed capital budgets with the option to reduce operational costs if things take a dive. Then they also have the option to sweat the asset for years afterwards. With Azure you are in reality required to take longer term 3yr reservations to get a similar cost point, but these would require renewing at end of term and are "officially" not cancellable. There are also the other issues whereby storage/disk/backup are not fixed pricing for the term and Microsoft has changing policies etc. Small to Medium businesses either embrace digital transformation, or want to stick to a traditional capex/opex model with certainty for the duration. ie they buy once and don't have to worry about it for 3-5 years.
I guess perhaps the question is (and perhaps the answer that we all need from Microsoft) is whether the RDS role is going to be deprecated in future Windows Server releases. Certainly, in Azure Virtual Desktop there is a push for users to run Multi Session Windows 10/11 rather than RDS (I also heard on the grapevine from a partner that Microsoft recently announced at a Partner conference that they will be deprecating RDS in AVD - but I have not validated this). The Microsoft answer to date is to use Azure or Azure HCI, which as you note also still includes the SAC release model - but I would expect most to see this lock-in as dangerously anti-competitive on the Cloud Provider and Hypervisor side of things.
You may sense I keep pushing for Windows Multi Session outside of Azure as it seems like a relatively simple approach to all of the challenges Microsoft and ourselves face.
Single Product set to Support, Zero Anti-Competitiveness concerns on the Windows, Cloud Provider and Hypervisor side of things, choice for users via Azure, On Premise or A.N.Other Cloud/Hypervisor, enables Microsoft to align the development of Windows and their support policies, and enables the onwards push towards GUI less Server etc etc.
- AnonymousDec 06, 2022
Good news Elden_Christensen the other team has provided it in written state. Quite interesting, updated back mid-October already.
- greatquuxDec 05, 2022Brass Contributor@Elden - I'm happy there are no plans to remove the GUI from Windows Server. But we would also like to be reassured that there are no plans to remove RDS Session Host, and to at least allow 365 Apps to run on RDS Session Host during the mainstream support period of Windows Server. I understand if they don't want to support it for the entire extended security period, but we just can't do AVD or HCI stack, and it would also be cost prohibitive to by Office LTSC just for RDS servers (and who knows if MS will take that away too?) -- what we are really looking for is more re-assurance from Microsoft on the future of people using their platforms that they will not take away trusted solutions that work and are performant and cost-effective for many many small and medium businesses.
- Elden_ChristensenNov 29, 2022
Microsoft
There are NO plans to ever remove the GUI / Shell / Desktop from Windows Server
While we feel Server Core is the best installation option, we recognize there is a diverse skillset of IT Admin's and we want to embrace choice and the simplicity of the GUI for IT Generalists. Our strategy is to provide a shell on Windows Server that is consistent with Windows client. This is to provide a familiar experience for IT Generalists who are managing both servers and desktops, so that they can fluidly transition from one to another. That is why in the Windows Server Insider builds today, you will see the Windows 11 shell.
If you look at the natural career progression of a Windows admin, they will usually start on desktops and progress to the server team. Being able to empower those admin's to bring that skillset and for junior admin's to be successful, as well as reducing operational expenses for the business. And there is a long list of additional reasons others have pointed out, like app compat, etc...
Thanks!
Elden Christensen
Principal Group PM Manager
Windows Server Development Team