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Re: Microsoft's Copilot: A Frustrating Flop in AI-Powered Productivity
Sjengstah Memory is currently rolling out and is already available—at least in my configuration. I believe the main reason Copilot behaves differently for us here in Europe is due to strict privacy regulations and additional systems that require alternative configurations. Another important point: ChatGPT only needs to respond within the web interface, whereas Microsoft 365 Copilot is expected to perform actions within apps, which is significantly more complex. Regarding 'memory': Based on my experience, Copilot seems to lose focus far less frequently now compared to before 2025." But I'm with you: If you make a full comparison between ChatGPT+ and M365 Copilot there is a difference and to be honest: That is OK - it is another product. Even if the "same" LLM will be used, it works completely different and that is something we need to accept.Re: Questions about Copilot Agents created using copilot studio, that use SharePoint & data-verse
Hi johnjohn-Peter A1: No, there is no specific order, and as far as I know, no new index is created. It simply uses the existing SharePoint index. If you enable Enhanced Search Results within the agent settings, the search becomes more accurate because certain features of Dataverse Search are activated. More details about Dataverse Search can be found here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/user/relevance-search-benefits and here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/user/relevance-faq A2: In the test section of Copilot Studio, you can view the retrieved knowledge. Is this referencing a different file, or is it the same one? Do you have overlapping information across multiple documents that could be causing the system to produce such different answers? A3: Not that I’m aware of. A4: No, as of now, Copilot Studio uses a large language model (LLM) that is shared across multiple customers. This means nothing is stored or updated based on your specific interactions. Microsoft announced in 2024 that a form of "Memory" would be introduced, but I haven’t seen any updates beyond the initial announcement. You can read more about it here (search for “Memory and context”): https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/blog/copilot-studio/microsoft-copilot-studio-building-copilots-with-agent-capabilities/ Also the screenshot shown in the Blog with the "History" section in Copilot Studio was never released.Re: Microsoft's Copilot: A Frustrating Flop in AI-Powered Productivity
If you continue using offensive language with Copilot, you may be banned from using it. Since you're only sharing the result of your frustration and not what you're actually trying to achieve, it's very difficult to assist you. By the way, this forum is intended for Microsoft 365 Copilot, not GitHub Copilot. I recommend using the GitHub Copilot forums for questions like this: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/categories/copilot-conversationsRe: Visual Creator is not working
As Microsoft did now announce that Visual Creator will be deprecated, is the new experience "Create" already at your desktop? Just open https://m365.cloud.microsoft/chat and in the lower left Corner you should see the "Create" option. If the new image generation model is already deployed for your Tenant you can create Pictures and Videos directly from there:Re: What's difference creating Agent from Copilot page vs from Copilot Studio -> Copilot for M365?
To answer your questions in detail: A1: Correct. The Copilot Studio Agent Builder is used to create agents within the Microsoft 365 Copilot website. As SahrmaNeeraj already mentioned, this is a very lightweight version of Copilot Studio. However, it does not produce fully functional agents, which is why they do not appear in the full Copilot Studio environment. It is planned that you can edit an Agent created with Agent Builder later in Copilot Studio, but this is not released as of now. A2: You can deploy this agent to anyone within your organization, regardless of their license type. However, usage is primarily limited to users who have a Microsoft 365 Copilot license. Another option is to enable Pay-As-You-Go services in the Microsoft 365 Admin Center. This allows unlicensed users to access the agent, but you will be billed based on their usage. The cost depends on how the agent is configured and the knowledge assigned to the agent. A3: Yes, these are Declarative Agents. In general, a declarative agent can be built using the following platforms: Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit (an evolution of the Teams Toolkit) Copilot Studio Copilot Studio Agent Builder (the tool you are currently using) SharePointRe: What the hack is a "Microsoft 365 Copilot Bizchat"?
First, we had Bing Chat Enterprise, which was Microsoft’s free AI offering. Then came Microsoft Copilot, also a free AI solution. After that, Copilot for Microsoft 365 was introduced (now called Microsoft 365 Copilot), which is the paid version of Microsoft’s AI. When the paid version launched, Microsoft 365 Business subscribers (not Personal users) were able to switch between Work and Web modes at the current URL: https://m365.cloud.microsoft/chat The Work mode is still referred to as Business Chat, where queries are grounded in your organization’s data. The Web tab, on the other hand, remains the freely accessible chat experience within Microsoft 365 Copilot.Re: So many different CoPilots - confusing, unproductive
Hi, Agents in SharePoint and Business Chat are designed with the idea that anyone—even without extensive IT knowledge—can build and use them. These users typically don’t require the advanced capabilities that other, more complex agents might offer. I’ve trained dozens of users on these types of agents, and they’re generally very satisfied with what they can achieve. When users need more advanced functionality, I usually introduce them to Copilot Studio. It still doesn’t require development know how (though having some technical knowledge is helpful), and it allows customers to quickly build their own agents. As for integration with Microsoft 365 Copilot Chat—you’re right, it’s still a bit buggy. However, from my perspective, Copilot Studio is a great solution for those who aren’t professional developers but still want to leverage AI features for their users. While deep research capabilities are not yet available, reasoning is supported and can be enabled in the agent’s generative AI settings. The Researcher feature should soon be able to work with SharePoint data—not just individual files—but I’m not entirely certain. SharePoint sites are expected to be integrated into the Context IQ window in Business Chat, and the Researcher feature will be included there as well. And yes, you’re absolutely right: Copilot Studio is the successor to Power Virtual Agents. Technically, it’s already far more advanced than its predecessor.Re: Copilot confused by the term "last week"
ovancantfort I completely understand your frustration, especially given that Microsoft has officially announced this feature. I’ve re-checked the current Microsoft 365 Copilot roadmap and noticed that at least some of the mentioned date ranges should now be functional as of June 10, 2025. While I can’t provide a direct link to the specific section, you can find this information in the Microsoft 365 Copilot Release Notes on Microsoft Learn—just search for the term “week.”: Release Notes for Microsoft 365 Copilot | Microsoft Learn Important: This functionality is currently only available in Copilot Chat at https://m365.cloud.microsoft/chat specifically within the “Work” section. I ran a few tests myself, and it seems to be working quite well. I receive too many emails to verify every entry, but at the very least, it does show me some of my messages. Keep in mind that while prompts like “last week” are now supported, there are still limitations on the number of references that can be returned in a single chat window—so not all messages from last week may be included in the response.Re: FinOps For CoPilot and Agentic AI. FinOps for M365
For Copilot Studio agents, it depends on what they are designed to do. Some can be used at no cost, while others may become quite expensive. Many of your questions may be answered in the Copilot Studio Licensing Guide, which is available here: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=2320995 Currently, Microsoft is planning to release a new governance and administration feature for agents in Copilot Studio on July 14. This update will include spending limits and cost management capabilities. If you have access to the Microsoft 365 Admin Center and the associated Message Center notifications, be sure to check there for more detailed information. Message center - Microsoft 365 admin centerRe: So many different CoPilots - confusing, unproductive
I work for a Microsoft Partner, and we began our journey with Bing Chat Enterprise years ago. I have a deep understanding of the technologies that make up the Copilot ecosystem. At this point, my answer to your question would be: Agents—designed for specific needs and functioning as expected. Yes, there are four levels of agents within Microsoft: Agents on SharePoint Agents within Business Chat (requires an additional Microsoft 365 Copilot license) Copilot Studio Agents Full developer-level agents using AI Foundry Even though I’m not a developer, I can build agents up to level 3 using Copilot Studio. Of course, having a solid understanding of Microsoft ecosystem products is a big advantage. Speaking for myself: I’m not sure I could set up an MCP server and integrate it with the cloud—but somehow, that knowledge came from your side as well, didn’t it? So at some point you played around with a service and tried your best in configuring it. Within the Microsoft ecosystem: Play around with Copilot Studio and you can get the same results, as Copilot Studio does now support MCP connections.Re: Exposing Copilot’s False Time Estimates: This Isn’t a Mistake — It’s Systemic Deception
All of your questions based on the feedback are valid, and providers of large language models (LLMs) are actively working on these issues. However, progress remains slow and ongoing. AI was designed to interact with us using human language—nothing more, nothing less. What we, as humans, now expect from AI is a level of intelligence comparable to our own—but it simply isn’t there yet. This creates complexity for the average person when trying to use AI in the way its developers intended. I don’t believe this expectation was fully anticipated during the development of the AI systems we have today. That’s why deep research models were introduced—to provide more contextual understanding of queries. However, this process is not instantaneous; it can take minutes rather than seconds. And no, deep research models are not currently designed to deliver immediate answers.Re: So many different CoPilots - confusing, unproductive
I understand that Copilot can feel overwhelming, with its many features scattered across different areas. However, in my opinion, once you take the time to understand the system, it’s well-structured and supports a wide range of users in accomplishing their tasks. As an experienced user familiar with the integrated MCP service, you clearly grasp the scope of AI, its integration, and its possibilities. Microsoft is pursuing this on a large scale—from typical end users to seasoned developers. While I don’t agree with everything Microsoft does, I believe that there’s something in AI for everyone, depending on their level of experience. That, in my view, is the goal Microsoft is striving toward.
