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Adusting addresses on Bing Maps for a new community
Yes, continuing at Tom Tom forums makes sense. I just wanted to add a bit more detail on the Bing side for anyone following there as a reference if the same issue came up in the future. I'll only post there from now on.
I was able to get a clear plat and am working on a package to include the plat as well as lat longs for all addresses I added to the Google side. Should have that in an hour or so.
- Hi Michael, I am checking with TomTom if they can give me a list of sources they use though if they are using USPS for those address.
You may contact the USPS Address Managment office here:
https://postalpro.usps.com/ppro-tools/address-management-system?_gl=1*18n8ft*_ga*Mjc0ODI1MjYzLjE2NTA3MzM3NzI.*_ga_3NXP3C8S9V*MTY1MDczMzc3Mi4xLjEuMTY1MDczNDAyMy4w - Hi Shawn,
No need to use the search bar on TomTom. All valid addresses are showing up when the TomTom "Address Points" layer is switched on. Using the search bar is misleading since each street has a range of *possible* addresses so any possible address in the range will show up in a general location. Again...all of the *valid* addresses for the community are now in TomTom and showed up shortly after the GIS Manager uploaded the addresses into Google. He *may* have worked through a process with TomTom, but he didn't inform me and the addresses are not spread out evenly in the same way as Google and there are some missing addresses....so, I'm doubtful that happened.
If HERE does updates every quarter then maybe we'll see something show up around June. If that happens, I'll get up with GroundCloud and see how soon they would update Fedex.
I think it's really as good as it can get at this point. Thank you so much for your help! Between me, you, and the other Google Maps expert, we made quite a bit happen. The E911 GIS manager has all the information he needs to help create a system that updates all mapping providers, so hopefully he runs with that, but in the end he may think it's not his job 🙂 - Hi Michale, Here Maps does updates for their months quarterly, that means every 4 months 🙂
- HI Michael, kindly send me the file that has the additional address, and have you checked the address through bing or the search box in TomTom MapShare?
Also, note for security, privacy reasons they may not list all sources they use for the info, they have contacts, license agreements 🙂
Kindly send me the file 🙂
Thanks - Just checked out the copyright notice and not really seeing anything that may lead to another data source other than I saw United States Postal Service mentioned. They get their data from E911 but if they were grabbing data in the case of those additional addresses, I would think Tom Tom would have all the addresses. At this point, I can't get anyone else to talk to me. HERE's process is either broken or very slow and I have no idea how to get updates over to UPS. I guess I was starting to take up too much of the e911 GIS managers time. I hope he continues updating communities, but who knows 🙂
Have a great weekend!
Michael - Looks like there is 48 addresses on Tom Tom and 66 (the number of homesites in the community) on Google Maps. I sent you a file with 23 addresses, so there are now an additional 25 addresses showing up on TomTom 🙂 I'll adjust and add as new satellite imagery is released 🙂
Hi Michal, I found this on the map reporter, it seems there is some places they are getting their data from, do look into it. Also, it is aginst Google's Term and Service to copy their data to make a competitor product.
Thanks,
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- HI Michael,
Just to let you know that I reported each and every address you sent me in that txt file earlier to the TomTom Mapshare, so the points may not be that lined up, you can report it to be adjusted though 🙂
Thanks,
Shawn - Thanks for the reply Michael, it's probably that the TomTom is automated the collecting of new address to the system, if you would like, you can report the issue to the map reporter 🙂
TomTom doesn't use Google data,
Thanks 🙂
have a good day!
Shawn - There is more going on Shawn..all good, but I'm not sure what's happening since our county GIS manager won't answer my emails any more.
Shortly after (like just a few days) the GIS manager uploaded all the addresses for our community (as well as some others) into Google Maps and those addresses showed up on Google Maps, all of those addresses (with the exception of a couple) showed up on Tom Tom.
If you look at Tom Tom now, you will now see all those addresses showing up when you switch on the "Address Points" layer. All of those addresses are valid addresses and match with Google which matches what the GIS Manager uploaded. The only difference is that the Tom Tom addresses are not neatly in line like on Google. Again...those showed up just a few days after they showed up in Google.
What I don't know is if the GIS Manager worked with TomTom. I emailed him that question and he hasn't responded.
For reliable shipping, HERE is more important. Last I heard from the GIS manager, he had tried to upload using upload.here.com but that was 3 weeks ago. They may update all of their systems monthly or quarterly or maybe they are simply disorganized with broken processes.
UPS uses an internal "Orion" system. I went over to our local service center. I was told they access USPS address data (which is "good" since they get their data from E911) but for addresses that are not in their system they add those manually. I got an email address of someone in UPS that may have been able to help and sent them all of my information like a plat of our community showing street names and addresses and the E911 GIS contact. Heard nothing. Tried talking to a couple of angry UPS drivers who couldn't check anything in their system and seemed to really hate the system.
Anyway...I guess I have pushed that noodle as far as I can. With your help and the help from the Google Maps expert, we made a lot of progress and it's interesting to understand the overall process.
Best,
Michael
