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Any Windows IoT Core update for Raspberry pi 4?
- About to start a project need power of raspberry PI 4, when would IoT Core be available or do I need to move it to Linux/python?
Thanks for the reply!
Yes, I’m looking for something that would be officially supported for more than a couple months. When we look at the Pi, it never really worked like expected with Win IoT and I can’t find a clear candidate to replace it.
The sites you’re pointing out are the reason I’m so confused at the moment.
The “SoCs and custom boards” page was last updated more than 2 years ago and still state support for Broadcom and Raspberry PI. But clearly this is not the case anymore or maybe I’m missing something?
The table “Windows IoT Core Processor table” (updated 2018, about a year ago) goes even further saying “Up through currently enabled Broadcom Processors” … Again, this seams to be wrong.
So, if we cannot trust these references, what can we build on and not be left dead in the water in a couple months?
Maybe there are multiple questions I should be asking:
- Is there really a future for Win IoT or has this been abandoned? It sure feels like it is going downhill…
- If there’s a future for Win IoT, then is there one for the Raspberry Pi (3B+ and 4) on that platform?
- If not, then what will “really” be supported?
In terms of the kind of hardware/software solution, the Pi is mainly a hub sitting at the edge between Azure and the real devices (based on ESP). The Azure IoTHub & Edge solutions are not well aligned with the reality of residential solutions so we’re building our own stuff.
Since the Win IoT has never really worked for us, we went with Raspian (with dotnet core solutions) for over a year. The reason we are coming back is that we’d like to build some kind of UI on the hub and that would fit nicely with UWP.
I'm on the Windows IoT team. We’ve been working with our enterprise customers to provide solutions for their needs and currently this is our priority. However, we don’t want to abandon our developer community and have invested in partnerships with Intel, NXP, and Qualcomm to offer long-life supported BSPs for IoT Core.
as always... 'coming soon' ... until it isn't.
Ah, yes, the marketing team. Thou may not say a thing, or thou should have shared that more. 😛
Best of luck, my Pi3b+ is idle at the moment. Really looking forward to any news at all.
And of course, best luck with marketing. 😛
- We are committed to supporting Raspberry Pi and are continuing to develop and invest in Windows IoT Core as an operating system. Sorry for being vague, the marketing overlords are looking over my shoulder and asked me to mention this. Personally, I know that the Windows IoT product team is actively monitoring these forums although we have been really busy lately working on some new and exciting stuff that will be announced soon.
Possibly, not enough time has elapsed to allow for discovery, consultation and a considered response to my inquiry. However, I am inclined to believe that you may indeed be right. My surprise is that Microsoft is marketing their IoT stack to many of our very-large clients that need huge numbers of IoT gateways for their rollouts and thus are sensitive to per node pricing. So, Windows 10 IoT Enterprise is out and, from my understanding, there is no other Microsoft gateway platform offering to govern sensor constellations at-the-edge. In contrast, their competitors are moving aggressively to provide integrated cloud services and robust gateway offerings along with device-level OSs for uniformity down to the edge sensors. In terms of Microsoft, unless I missed it or a surprise is forthcoming, crickets! Baffling!
Fully agree with you on the PI 4 as being a great platform for proof-of-concept, though we must use industrial-specification HW for our operational deployments. I, too, am hoping that a revision is released that adds M.2 support as this will finally enable our development teams to share a common mid-tier prototyping platform and development assets.
This is the typical deafening roar of silence you receive from Microsoft for any consumer facing product that they are going to abandon. If you were an adapter of the ecosystem and clung on to Zune, Band or Windows phone (I did), then this is another deja vu moment.
Microsoft's only interest in IoT is grabbing data and storing it in their Azure cloud. Windows IoT Core as a client platform is dead. I feel bad for folks (Atlas-Scientific) who have put allot of effort into the platform, only to have their offerings stalled on a 1.2Ghz/1GB solution.
I moved over to Rasbian on my Pi 4 and do my development in Node-RED, enjoying the performance from 4GB of Ram and my 4 cores at 2.0Ghz. Raspberry Pi OS is now available in 64bit and a Raspberry Pi 4 can be bought with upwards of 8GB of Ram. If an upcoming Pi offers an M.2 slot, it will just be the ultimate little platform for IoT apps for me.
The Raspberry.org folks have completely removed any links to Windows IoT Core from their site.
Can we get an official response from Microsoft regarding future support for Windows 10 IoT Core and , if so, some reliable timelines for when updates will be released for production?
Looking at the website, it appears support for new devices halted in 2018 and the product is no longer receiving attention. As a Windows UI is preferred for our delivered gateway deployment, we had been looking to utilize the Core and Azure stack for our large IoT urban project. However, reading this forum there are hints that no resources are allocated for improving Windows 10 IoT Core and it has potentially been orphaned. Yes, we saw your statement about not wanting to "abandon our developer community" which does inspires some hope. Yet, the lack of movement on the Core for 2 years is telling.
If there is updated guidance from Microsoft in favor of a future for this product, we welcome it. Alternatively, if Microsoft has indeed made a business decision to forsake Windows 10 IoT Core, fine. We simply want to make a platform selection where it is evident there is a corporate commitment and on-going support/innovation thus affording flexibility to meet our customer's evolving needs. Certainly, we hope it is understandable that if there is no responsive reply to this inquiry we have no choice but to consider Windows IoT Core as being End-of-Life and act accordingly.
Feel free to reach out to us via my contact info, if desired.
