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martinnn
Sep 29, 2020Iron Contributor
Sidebar for Favorites is a step in the right direction!
I'm glad Edge Team finally made a sidebar for Favorites! Please make this available for History and Downloads and Edge will FINALLY be on the direction to become a good browser! Sidebars are great fo...
martinnn
Sep 29, 2020Iron Contributor
Again, the question you asked was what advantages Firefox has over Edge. I never said that Firefox has more or better advantages over Edge. I don't know why trying the insider channels would be relevant to the conversation--I'm not here to talk about what Edge has that Firefox doesn't because you asked about it the other way around. And I answered that question. That's all I was doing.
HotCakeX
Sep 29, 2020MVP
I need to mention those features because you appear not to be aware of them and as a result count them as features/advantages that Firefox has over Edge, while Edge has them too, maybe not the exact thing but similar.
- HotCakeXSep 29, 2020MVPWhen i talk about market share, i mean in general, not limiting the scope to a specific device and specific OS only.
so overall Chrome is leading the browser market share. both desktop and mobile
data from https://gs.statcounter.com/
i dont like it and hope it changes soon in favor of Edge and Firefox. - martinnnSep 29, 2020Iron ContributorIt's not relevant how many Android devices there are. My point was that for iOS users, which is still a large percentage of mobile market share at about 15% (and much higher in some countries where Microsoft and Mozilla are more likely to focus their efforts), Firefox is a better iOS app than Edge.
Again, Chrome is irrelevant to the discussion. I don't know why Chrome has more users and I don't care. - HotCakeXSep 29, 2020MVPapples limitations are exactly the reason Microsoft can't provide the same functionality to IOS users.
remember, these are not the history/open tabs syncing that are upcoming. i know Firefox provides those features through syncing, Edge will do the same as well in time, but these specific features are being blocked in IOS by apple while Android users can use them.
Android has sold more than 2 billions.
Chrome is the reason Firefox is falling behind in market share.
Firefox is one of the oldest browsers in the market, one of the two original browsers ever invented, of course back then, twenty years ago had different name. but still older than Chrome so chances of people trying it is higher than Chrome. so dont guarantee something we are not sure of. - martinnnSep 29, 2020Iron ContributorApple's limitations has nothing to do with this. I'm talking specifically about the features Firefox has in its iOS app. Those features were not prevented by iOS, and they are major advantages that it has over Edge.
Apple has sold over 1 billion iOS devices. There are definitely millions of people running iOS.
Chrome has nothing to do with this. I was saying that as a mobile browser, Firefox for iOS is better than Edge for iOS.
But to answer your question: I'm not sure about the history of the browsers, but when Chrome was newer it may have been the first to have some features and may have been better. That may have caused the initial wave of new users, but I'm sure most people just use Chrome because everybody else does. That was the case for me--I only used Chrome because other people used Chrome so I thought it was better. I can almost guarantee that most Chrome users have never tried Firefox. - HotCakeXSep 29, 2020MVPBlame IOS for that, they are the ones putting limitations for developers.
Your phone app, Xbox cloud gaming etc. Microsoft can't force it on their platform if they don't want it.
millions of people, better browser..right, im just wondering why the market share is so low compared to Chrome. - martinnnSep 29, 2020Iron ContributorI know that that's how you're supposed to send tabs to your phone, but that only works for Android. There is no way to do that for iOS.
QR is less convenient than sending the tab directly because you have to go through the trouble of grabbing your phone and holding the camera up to your computer screen. That takes quite a bit longer, especially if you don't have your phone right with you. Plus, you might not want to look at the website immediately--you might just be sending it to view later.
My point in saying that not everyone has an Android device is that I can't just "try" Edge for Android. Firefox is a better mobile browser for millions of people around the world because of the operating system they use. - HotCakeXSep 29, 2020MVPI don't talk about IOS.
This is how you do it:
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/syncing-tabs-sending-tabs-to-another-device/m-p/910022/highlight/true#M13798
Not really, QR is super popular, don't see any inconvenience in it.
Not everybody owns and IOS either lol - martinnnSep 29, 2020Iron ContributorEdge does not have sending web pages to iOS. The Your Phone app only lets you send pages from iOS to desktop, not the other way around. I know the Your Phone app says you can do it both ways before you pair a phone, but it's a lie that they included for some reason. After pairing a phone, you can only do it one way.
Using a QR code is less convenient and is not equivalent.
I can assure you touch support is terrible, especially considering that every other Microsoft app for Windows is optimized for it.
Not everybody owns an Android device. - HotCakeXSep 29, 2020MVPI don't see any element in Edge UI being intrusive to be honest. if you prefer sidebars, fine, but that's personal opinion.
faster web browsing? by putting new tab and new window buttons on the toolbar doesn't make browsing faster. pressing the plus sign + on Edge does the same thing. with 2 clicks you can have a lot more options than Firefox offers on the toolbar, from Edge's ellipsis menu.
send web pages to IOS. Edge has it. QR sharing and also using Your Phone app to open web page on mobile devices. yup, not 1 but 2 method.
I can't speak much for touch support, don't own one.
Edge for Android, try it. - martinnnSep 29, 2020Iron Contributor
I guess that's fair. Let's remove ones where Edge has similar, if not equivalent, features. And also the Library, since you're not a fan of that.
Firefox desktop:
- unintrusive sidebars instead of fullscreen menus
- The sidebar can also be accessed by extensions
- much much better customization
- This not only allows for personalization through themes, but also faster web browsing by pinning commonly used commands to the toolbar!
- Send webpages to iOS
- touchscreen support (it's like Microsoft forgets that they make touchscreen devices)
Firefox for iOS:
- Easily search other websites
- Type in part of a URL and it autofills the rest, from which you can quickly add on to it—e.g. I can type “r” and Firefox will complete the url for “reddit.com” and then I can tap the end to add “/r/microsoftedge”
- unintrusive sidebars instead of fullscreen menus