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Please -Bring over the classic Edge Favorits experience with pin-able side menu!
The Chrome experience with favorites is really subpar and hugely frustrating to use! This is my top peeve to new Chrome Edge.. If you have many favs in nested folders to navigate, the cascading m...
HotCakeX "doesn't Google chrome use the same style for bookmarks and still has lots of users?"
Lots of people eat way too much fast food, too. That doesn't mean that the food is good. It just means that a lot of people eat it.
FredrikStahlbrandt "That there are a lot of Chrome users is not necessarily suggestive that the Chrome favorites experience is good, it might just mean that they accept it as a “lesser” problem for the “greater” overall benefit."
I agree. The fact that a lot of people have learned to tolerate a poor design is not a reason to replicate it.
FredrikStahlbrandt "I won’t try to speak for them though, it’s just that for me the current Chrome experience is like stepping back a decade in user friendliness."
I agree with this, too. Flyout menu design was "the thing" 1995-2005 and Chromium picked it up. But that doesn't mean that it was a good UI solution (even at the time) and it certainly doesn't mean that it should be continued. EdgeChromium is, as far as I know, the only element of Windows using the flyout UI at this point. The inconsistency in design motif is glaring.
So you want to force people to use a different UI just because you think it's good for them?
yes people use fast foot a lot but it doesn't matter whether it's good for them or not, who are we to decide?
extensions are made to give people choices.
yes people use fast foot a lot but it doesn't matter whether it's good for them or not, who are we to decide?
extensions are made to give people choices.
HotCakeX "So you want to force people to use a different UI just because you think it's good for them? yes people use fast foot a lot but it doesn't matter whether it's good for them or not, who are we to decide? extensions are made to give people choices."
The question we are discussing is which Favorites UI (that is, flyout or nested list) should be the default, not whether extensions allow users to modify the default.
You mentioned in a previous comment that "Simplicity" is a Chrome attribute that you think Microsoft should follow. Let me ask you, then, looking at Fredrik Ståhlbrandt's screenshots: "Which is the simpler to comprehend and use, a flyout UI or a nested list UI?"
The nested list UI is used throughout Windows 10. If the flyout UI is superior for some reason -- and I have yet to see anyone defend it on technical or usability grounds in this Forum -- then perhaps we are barking up the wrong tree. Instead of asking Microsoft to change the default UI in EdgeChromium from flyout to nested, perhaps we should be asking Microsoft to change the default UI everywhere else from nested list UI to flyout UI.
tomscharbach
"perhaps we should be asking Microsoft to change the default UI everywhere else from nested list UI to flyout UI." Tom
OMG, Tom, NOOooooo!
Thank god you're joking.
Obviously what we are advocating is putting OUR better approach to Chromium Edge, not, putting something bad & disliked all the places we have something good (better), now, already. Such lack of logic & common sense is laughable.- Spoiler
Drew1903 wrote:
"perhaps we should be asking Microsoft to change the default UI everywhere else from nested list UI to flyout UI." Tom
Obviously what we are advocating is putting OUR better approach to Chromium Edge, not, putting something bad & disliked all the places we have something good (better), now, already. Such lack of logic & common sense is laughable.whoever that last sentence is pointed at, it's rude.
shouldn't insult someone for the way they think.
something bad and disliked all the places? that's not what everyone thinks, we're only a few people in this forum, very limited user opinion.
- Everywhere else on Windows 10 is fine, no need to change that.
Flyout menu is simpler but Microsoft made it too big that's why it's worse than Google chrome's bookmark menu. also the logic of nested bookmark folders in the current flyout menu needs improvements, it sometimes opens to the left and sometimes to the right and overlay other entries.HotCakeX "Flyout menu is simpler but Microsoft made it too big that's why it's worse than Google chrome's bookmark menu. also the logic of nested bookmark folders in the current flyout menu needs improvements, it sometimes opens to the left and sometimes to the right and overlay other entries."
I'll take your word for all of it, but I am getting identical results using EdgeChromium and Google Chrome on my test machine.
Google Chrome (the red box indicates the active menu):
EdgeChromium (the red box indicates the active menu):
I wonder if we are ships passing in the night.
I'm concerned with the issues inherent in the flyout menu motif itself (see Fredrik's, Drew's and my comments for examples) rather than the possible slight differences in the way that motif is implemented by EdgeChromium and Google Chome. Like the many others who have commented over the months on this Forum, I would like Microsoft to abandon the flyout UI entirely and return to the nested list UI used in EdgeClassic.
Nested List (red box indicates the menu marked in the earlier screenshots):
I hope that this demonstrates the concern we have about the flyout UI in both Google Chrome and EdgeChromium. It is, in my view, significantly more difficult for users to comprehend and to use.
But, to keep the ship analogy going a fathom too far, perhaps, I think that the EdgeChromium UI ship has sailed, and EdgeChromium will be using the flyout motif going forward. We've been discussing this since April, Microsoft doesn't seem to have the issue on a "to-do" list, EdgeChromium is six weeks away from launch, and there is little or no chance that we will see the change.
You've mentioned that those us who prefer (or for accessibility reasons, need) a nested list rather than a flyout can switch over by using an extension. Can you point us to the extension you recommend?
