May 05 2020 10:49 AM
May 05 2020 10:49 AM
Hello Insiders! Today we’re releasing build 84.0.502.0 to the Dev channel. This week, we’ve got an article describing Automatic Profile Switching (informally referred to as Guided Switch in the past) in more detail: https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/04/30/automatic-profile-switching/. As for all of this week’s most noteworthy additions:
As always, thanks for all your valuable feedback!
May 05 2020 12:12 PM
I know we're not supposed to rely on flags settings, they may be removed at any time etc. But tab groups was revolutionary for me when I discovered it, and was hoping it would become a fully fledged official feature at some point. Is there any chance of this?
May 05 2020 01:17 PM
@Jamie_Thelin @josh_bodner Yes, not only is tab groups gone from flags, but so is one of my personal favorites: focus mode. I liked the ability to focus a tab and treat it more like its own app just for that session (without installing it as an app). These were two Chromium features that worked perfectly well in Edge when enabled. Any reason they were removed?
I hope Microsoft is working on their own version of tab groups if they're not allowing the built in one.
May 05 2020 01:20 PM
@josh_bodner So, Josh, when will the stable version be rolled out to everybody? I know you can go install it (put it on my home computers on January 15th), but when will the old Edge start to get upgraded automatically? Should be soon, but I thought this would have happened already.
May 05 2020 01:25 PM
I will not consider moving to Edge while I believe there is any chance you might remove the ability to turn off the abominable scrolling 'personality'. Make the switch a permanent on/off option in settings. Just to be clear, that one word 'temporarily' in the OP will mean me NOT choosing to move to Edge even if it otherwise qualifies.
I will not consider moving to Edge until desktop and Android versions can sync history.
I also will not consider moving to Edge (desktop and Android - it's both or neither) until Android Edge (i) provides an option to have the controls at the top; (ii) has access to the edge:// pages, especially flags; (iii) allows choice of sites pinned to new tab page; and (iv) has a method of 'darkifying' web pages. whether through an inbuilt option like in Android Google Chrome, or ability to use an extension like Dark Reader as with Android Firefox (old and new).
It's funny - or sad, depending how you look at it. Last November I was comparing the new replacement Firefox Android browser AKA Firefox Preview AKA Fenix with Android Edge, and realised I needed the exact same 5 things missing from both (the 4 in the paragraph above plus full syncing between Android and Desktop where for me 'full' syncing means passwords, favorites AND history). I provided feedback and reviews to both, and pretty much committed to going forwards long term either with Firefox or Edge (desktop and phone together) depending on which of you, Mozilla or Microsoft, dealt with my 5 issues first in your respective Android platforms. I moved onto testing Firefox Preview Nightly and Android Edge Beta, checking for those 5 things in each release - but not switching to either as default browser as I wouldn't until all 5 issues were addressed in one or other.
Here we are now in May. Mozilla added an option to move the controls back to the top in December (1/5), then gave access to their equivalent to the flags page (2/5), sync of passwords, favorites AND history (3/5), and pinning chosen sites to new tab page (4/5). Two weeks ago that moved to being the Android Firefox Beta; and at the same time Nightly gained the ability to use the Dark Reader extension (and zippily, not slow and crawling like in old Android Firefox). 5/5 and Firefox Nightly became eligible for me to make it my default browser on my phone. In that same November to May, Microsoft with the Android Edge have managed ... 0/5. Partial but not complete syncing (no History) and none of the rest.
When ability to use Dark Reader moves from Nightly to Beta, then I'll move my default phone browser to Firefox Beta. And when Fenix becomes the replacement main Android app, then that will become my default phone browser, Firefox will remain my desktop browser, and the Microsoft dev team will have lost. So, Microsoft, if you want me to change to being an Edge user you have that limited window left. You need to produce a BIG Android Edge update, addressing all 5 issues, plus the desktop update to give the history syncing with the phone, before Mozilla moves everything from the current Nightly to the main public Android Firefox. Given the deafening lack of Android Edge progress over the last 5 months I'm not holding my breath.
May 05 2020 03:55 PM
May 05 2020 04:10 PM
@josh_bodner Great update this week too ! Shyer Shy UI, tooltips issue (I thought it was definitely an issue with a Windows Insider build, so it's surprising to see here hahah), and security for the payment cards (The only reason I didn't add any yet !) are especially interesting to me :) .
Sadly it also looks like the issue with clearing data on browser close is still there - Exceptions to the "Clear cookies and site data on close" rule are disregarded : while the cookies are persisted for these exceptions, the local storage is deleted regardless.
And finally, the expiration of some flags is a bit saddening as well - Tab groups for example, which got into Stable chrome, can still be enabled on Chrome canary with chrome://flags/#temporary-unexpire-flags-m82 , but not on Edge I'm afraid. Same for Tab hover cards, which were easier to use than tooltips. I'll be on the lookout for their comeback, hopefully :) !
May 05 2020 06:05 PM
@josh_bodner I have Discord intalled as a PWA and now it shows this bar whenever I navigate to a different server away from the page where I installed it from.
It used to not show this for URLs in the same domain but now it shows up if the path just changes slightly. :(
May 05 2020 08:21 PM
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May 06 2020 09:38 AM
Following-up on this, do the teams that update the announcements and tips not coordinate with each other?
How is it that a big flashy announcement is made about a new feature rolling out in Dev (password monitor), as a "Try It" tip, but this isn't announced or mentioned at all in the release notes for Dev?
This is all endlessly frustrating and confusing to Insider members and testers. 🤷:male_sign:
May 06 2020 10:33 AM
> Fixed an issue where tooltips sometimes get stuck onscreen even when the Edge window is no longer in the foreground.
Thank you! I'd been meaning to report that via feedback but couldn't reproduce it reliably enough to do so.
May 06 2020 11:06 AM
I noticed some things that have been removed from about:flags....what's going on? I lost tab groups and tab hover cards - both of which I loved and used daily. Why were these flags removed? Was this a mistake? I thought these would be added back in this update but I guess not (I checked stable and it's there but not in edge dev for whatever reason)