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LTSC: What is it, and when should it be used?

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Nov 30, 2018

Update 7/15/2019:  The content in this post applies to PC and laptop type devices converted to Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, and not devices purchased with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise pre-installed. Examples of the latter include kiosks, medical equipment, and digital signs, i.e. use cases where devices are commonly treated as a whole system and are, therefore, “upgraded” by building and validating a new system, turning off the old device, and replacing it with a new, certified device. Organizations that leverage this approach are seeking the manageability and security of Windows 10 while staying on the same operating system version for the life of the device.


If you ask someone from Microsoft, or read industry guidance, about the best strategy for managing Windows 10 updates, the overarching recommendation is to use the Semi-Annual Channel (SAC) as the default servicing channel for Windows 10 devices. With the Semi-Annual Channel, devices receive two feature updates per year, and benefit from the best performance, user experience, security, and stability.

The Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) is designed for Windows 10 devices and use cases where the key requirement is that functionality and features don’t change over time. Examples include medical systems (such as those used for MRI and CAT scans), industrial process controllers, and air traffic control devices. These devices share characteristics of embedded systems: they are typically designed for a specific purpose and are developed, tested, and certified before use. They are treated as a whole system and are, therefore, commonly “upgraded” by building and validating a new system, turning off the old device, and replacing it with the new, certified device.

We designed the LTSC with these types of use cases in mind, offering the promise that we will support each LTSC release for 10 years--and that features, and functionality will not change over the course of that 10-year lifecycle.

Differences between the Semi-Annual Channel and LTSC

As I noted above, Windows 10 devices in the Semi-Annual Channel receive twice-yearly feature updates, once in the spring and once in the fall. These updates contain new features, services, and other major changes. Security updates, optimizations, and other minor updates or patches are released every month thereafter.

To deliver on the commitment of no changes to features or functionality, a Windows 10 LTSC release does not contain any of the components of Windows 10 that may change over the life of the release. These components include Microsoft Edge (as a modern browser, it is constantly evolving to support the current modern browser web standards) as well as components/applications regularly updated via the Microsoft Store, such as Camera, Cortana, OneNote, and other modern apps that continue to advance with innovative improvements. 

Internet Explorer is included in Windows 10 LTSC releases as its feature set is not changing, even though it will continue to get security fixes for the life of a Windows 10 LTSC release.

The LTSC cadence

We create a new LTSC release approximately every three years, and each release contains all the new capabilities and support included in the Windows 10 features updates that have been released since the previous LTSC release. Unlike the year-and-month terminology employed to describe Windows 10 features updates (e.g. 1703 or 1809), LTSC releases are named with a specific year, such as Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2016 or Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019, and they align to perpetual Office releases such as Office 2019.

Each LTSC release receives 10 years of servicing and support[i]. During the life of a LTSC release, you can upgrade your devices to the next or latest LTSC release free of charge using an in-place upgrade, or to any currently supported release of Windows 10. Because the LTSC is technically its own SKU, an upgrade is required from Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC to Windows 10 Enterprise, which supports the Semi-Annual Channel.

As with the Semi-Annual Channel, LTSC devices receive regular quality and security updates to ensure that device security stays up to date. While quality updates are available for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, you can choose to defer them using tools such as Windows Update for Business or System Center Configuration Manager.

Making a fully informed choice about the LTSC

Before its release and throughout the first year of Windows 10, many predicted that LTSC would be the preferred servicing channel for enterprise customers. This has turned out not to be the case, and the SAC is the predominant choice for enterprises today.

I’m currently working with a few early LTSC adopters who are now looking to unwind their LTSC deployments and shift to SAC. There are several reasons why using the LTSC can turn out to be the wrong fit for the Windows 10 devices in an organization. For example, one organization deployed LTSC to bring forward the same IT rules and image creation and management processes they had used since Windows XP, in this case to new Surface devices. You can imagine the reaction of their end users when they excitedly opened their new Surface devices, only to find that features such as Camera, Ink, and Pen did not work—and that they were missing many of the modern, touch friendly version of apps—because the devices had been “repaved” with a Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC release.

Another reason some organizations chose to adopt the LTSC centered around application compatibility. In talking with some of these organizations; however, initial concerns about application compatibility from release to release in their environment have proved to be a non-issue.

Considerations

All too often, I have seen strategic decisions about Windows 10 servicing options and the use of the Long-Term Servicing Channel driven by the wrong criteria; for example, IT professional familiarity prevailing over end user value and impact. The LTSC is designed for devices and use cases where features and functionality will not change. It provides 10 years of security servicing to a static Windows 10 feature set. If you are considering the LTSC for devices in your organization, please consider the following:

  • Silicon support: Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC will support the currently released processors and chipsets at the time of release of the LTSC. When choosing to utilize the LTSC, you must factor hardware into your decision, making sure you have a long-term supply of devices and service components for the life of your expected usage of the device. If the hardware your device is using needs to be replaced in five years, do you have a replacement supply to support the version you are running? You also want to be sure you have a hardware solution that will provide you with extended driver/firmware support to match your expected lifecycle use of the LTSC for that device. (See the Lifecycle FAQ to learn more about the Windows Silicon Support Policy.)
  • New peripheral support: Because the API and driver support models are not changing, the LTSC release you deploy may not support new hardware or peripherals that you need to use in your organization.
  • Application support: With each Semi-Annual Channel release following an LTSC release, there is a growing gap in APIs and functionality between the current Windows API in use by most all devices, and previous LTSC releases. Many ISVs do not support LTSC editions for their applications, as they want their applications to use the latest innovation and capabilities to give users the best experience. This is the case with Office ProPlus, which does not support Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC releases as it relies on Windows 10 feature updates and the Semi-Annual Channel to deliver the best user experience with the latest capabilities. (If you were using Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019, you would, therefore, need to use Office 2019.)
  • Best security: Windows 10, with the latest feature update installed, is always the most secure release of Windows 10, offering the latest security capabilities and functionality.
  • Best stability: Windows 10, with the latest feature update installed, has the latest performance and stability improvements.
  • Greatest hardware choice: New devices target and ship with the latest Windows 10 release to light up new hardware capabilities and improvements.

Summary

The Long-Term Servicing Channel a tool designed for a specific job. When used for the right job, it’s a great solution, but when misaligned, it can be like trying to drive a screw with a hammer. It’s, at best, unsatisfying, and likely problematic at some point.

If you understand the considerations listed above, have secured hardware and support to align with the intended duration of usage, and have secured support for your applications, the LTSC can provide your organization with years of secure, static operation, with full servicing and support for its 10-year lifespan. For most use cases; however, I recommend the Semi-Annual Channel as the better option for security, stability, and hardware/application capabilities, and the overall experience of your end users.

To learn more, check out our on demand session from Microsoft Ignite on The pros and cons of LTSC in the enterprise.


[i] Ten years of support includes a minimum of five years Mainstream Support (during which both security and non-security updates are provided) and a minimum of five years Extended Support (during which only security updates are provided). Please see the Fixed Lifecycle Policy for Microsoft Business, Developer and Desktop Operating Systems for more detail.

Updated Jul 15, 2019
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Explore use cases for the Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) and how it compares to other servicing options.

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Update 7/15/2019:  The content in this post applies to PC and laptop type devices converted to Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, and not devices purchased with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise pre-installed. Examples of the latter include kiosks, medical equipment, and digital signs, i.e. use cases where devices are commonly treated as a whole system and are, therefore, “upgraded” by building and validating a new system, turning off the old device, and replacing it with a new, certified device. Organizations that leverage this approach are seeking the manageability and security of Windows 10 while staying on the same operating system version for the life of the device.

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If you ask someone from Microsoft, or read industry guidance, about the best strategy for managing Windows 10 updates, the overarching recommendation is to use the Semi-Annual Channel (SAC) as the default servicing channel for Windows 10 devices. With the Semi-Annual Channel, devices receive two feature updates per year, and benefit from the best performance, user experience, security, and stability.

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The Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) is designed for Windows 10 devices and use cases where the key requirement is that functionality and features don’t change over time. Examples include medical systems (such as those used for MRI and CAT scans), industrial process controllers, and air traffic control devices. These devices share characteristics of embedded systems: they are typically designed for a specific purpose and are developed, tested, and certified before use. They are treated as a whole system and are, therefore, commonly “upgraded” by building and validating a new system, turning off the old device, and replacing it with the new, certified device.

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We designed the LTSC with these types of use cases in mind, offering the promise that we will support each LTSC release for 10 years--and that features, and functionality will not change over the course of that 10-year lifecycle.

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Differences between the Semi-Annual Channel and LTSC

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As I noted above, Windows 10 devices in the Semi-Annual Channel receive twice-yearly feature updates, once in the spring and once in the fall. These updates contain new features, services, and other major changes. Security updates, optimizations, and other minor updates or patches are released every month thereafter.

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To deliver on the commitment of no changes to features or functionality, a Windows 10 LTSC release does not contain any of the components of Windows 10 that may change over the life of the release. These components include Microsoft Edge (as a modern browser, it is constantly evolving to support the current modern browser web standards) as well as components/applications regularly updated via the Microsoft Store, such as Camera, Cortana, OneNote, and other modern apps that continue to advance with innovative improvements. 

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Internet Explorer is included in Windows 10 LTSC releases as its feature set is not changing, even though it will continue to get security fixes for the life of a Windows 10 LTSC release.

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The LTSC cadence

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We create a new LTSC release approximately every three years, and each release contains all the new capabilities and support included in the Windows 10 features updates that have been released since the previous LTSC release. Unlike the year-and-month terminology employed to describe Windows 10 features updates (e.g. 1703 or 1809), LTSC releases are named with a specific year, such as Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2016 or Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019, and they align to perpetual Office releases such as Office 2019.

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Each LTSC release receives 10 years of servicing and support[i]. During the life of a LTSC release, you can upgrade your devices to the next or latest LTSC release free of charge using an in-place upgrade, or to any currently supported release of Windows 10. Because the LTSC is technically its own SKU, an upgrade is required from Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC to Windows 10 Enterprise, which supports the Semi-Annual Channel.

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As with the Semi-Annual Channel, LTSC devices receive regular quality and security updates to ensure that device security stays up to date. While quality updates are available for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, you can choose to defer them using tools such as Windows Update for Business or System Center Configuration Manager.

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Making a fully informed choice about the LTSC

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Before its release and throughout the first year of Windows 10, many predicted that LTSC would be the preferred servicing channel for enterprise customers. This has turned out not to be the case, and the SAC is the predominant choice for enterprises today.

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I’m currently working with a few early LTSC adopters who are now looking to unwind their LTSC deployments and shift to SAC. There are several reasons why using the LTSC can turn out to be the wrong fit for the Windows 10 devices in an organization. For example, one organization deployed LTSC to bring forward the same IT rules and image creation and management processes they had used since Windows XP, in this case to new Surface devices. You can imagine the reaction of their end users when they excitedly opened their new Surface devices, only to find that features such as Camera, Ink, and Pen did not work—and that they were missing many of the modern, touch friendly version of apps—because the devices had been “repaved” with a Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC release.

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Another reason some organizations chose to adopt the LTSC centered around application compatibility. In talking with some of these organizations; however, initial concerns about application compatibility from release to release in their environment have proved to be a non-issue.

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Considerations

\n

All too often, I have seen strategic decisions about Windows 10 servicing options and the use of the Long-Term Servicing Channel driven by the wrong criteria; for example, IT professional familiarity prevailing over end user value and impact. The LTSC is designed for devices and use cases where features and functionality will not change. It provides 10 years of security servicing to a static Windows 10 feature set. If you are considering the LTSC for devices in your organization, please consider the following:

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Summary

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The Long-Term Servicing Channel a tool designed for a specific job. When used for the right job, it’s a great solution, but when misaligned, it can be like trying to drive a screw with a hammer. It’s, at best, unsatisfying, and likely problematic at some point.

\n

If you understand the considerations listed above, have secured hardware and support to align with the intended duration of usage, and have secured support for your applications, the LTSC can provide your organization with years of secure, static operation, with full servicing and support for its 10-year lifespan. For most use cases; however, I recommend the Semi-Annual Channel as the better option for security, stability, and hardware/application capabilities, and the overall experience of your end users.

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To learn more, check out our on demand session from Microsoft Ignite on The pros and cons of LTSC in the enterprise.

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[i] Ten years of support includes a minimum of five years Mainstream Support (during which both security and non-security updates are provided) and a minimum of five years Extended Support (during which only security updates are provided). Please see the Fixed Lifecycle Policy for Microsoft Business, Developer and Desktop Operating Systems for more detail.

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Update 7/15/2019:  The content in this post applies to PC and laptop type devices converted to Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, and not devices purchased with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise pre-installed. Examples of the latter include kiosks, medical equipment, and digital signs, i.e. use cases where devices are commonly treated as a whole system and are, therefore, “upgraded” by building and validating a new system, turning off the old device, and replacing it with a new, certified device. Organizations that leverage this approach are seeking the manageability and security of Windows 10 while staying on the same operating system version for the life of the device.

\n
\n

If you ask someone from Microsoft, or read industry guidance, about the best strategy for managing Windows 10 updates, the overarching recommendation is to use the Semi-Annual Channel (SAC) as the default servicing channel for Windows 10 devices. With the Semi-Annual Channel, devices receive two feature updates per year, and benefit from the best performance, user experience, security, and stability.

\n

The Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) is designed for Windows 10 devices and use cases where the key requirement is that functionality and features don’t change over time. Examples include medical systems (such as those used for MRI and CAT scans), industrial process controllers, and air traffic control devices. These devices share characteristics of embedded systems: they are typically designed for a specific purpose and are developed, tested, and certified before use. They are treated as a whole system and are, therefore, commonly “upgraded” by building and validating a new system, turning off the old device, and replacing it with the new, certified device.

\n

We designed the LTSC with these types of use cases in mind, offering the promise that we will support each LTSC release for 10 years--and that features, and functionality will not change over the course of that 10-year lifecycle.

\n

Differences between the Semi-Annual Channel and LTSC

\n

As I noted above, Windows 10 devices in the Semi-Annual Channel receive twice-yearly feature updates, once in the spring and once in the fall. These updates contain new features, services, and other major changes. Security updates, optimizations, and other minor updates or patches are released every month thereafter.

\n

To deliver on the commitment of no changes to features or functionality, a Windows 10 LTSC release does not contain any of the components of Windows 10 that may change over the life of the release. These components include Microsoft Edge (as a modern browser, it is constantly evolving to support the current modern browser web standards) as well as components/applications regularly updated via the Microsoft Store, such as Camera, Cortana, OneNote, and other modern apps that continue to advance with innovative improvements. 

\n

Internet Explorer is included in Windows 10 LTSC releases as its feature set is not changing, even though it will continue to get security fixes for the life of a Windows 10 LTSC release.

\n

The LTSC cadence

\n

We create a new LTSC release approximately every three years, and each release contains all the new capabilities and support included in the Windows 10 features updates that have been released since the previous LTSC release. Unlike the year-and-month terminology employed to describe Windows 10 features updates (e.g. 1703 or 1809), LTSC releases are named with a specific year, such as Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2016 or Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019, and they align to perpetual Office releases such as Office 2019.

\n

Each LTSC release receives 10 years of servicing and support[i]. During the life of a LTSC release, you can upgrade your devices to the next or latest LTSC release free of charge using an in-place upgrade, or to any currently supported release of Windows 10. Because the LTSC is technically its own SKU, an upgrade is required from Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC to Windows 10 Enterprise, which supports the Semi-Annual Channel.

\n

As with the Semi-Annual Channel, LTSC devices receive regular quality and security updates to ensure that device security stays up to date. While quality updates are available for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, you can choose to defer them using tools such as Windows Update for Business or System Center Configuration Manager.

\n

Making a fully informed choice about the LTSC

\n

Before its release and throughout the first year of Windows 10, many predicted that LTSC would be the preferred servicing channel for enterprise customers. This has turned out not to be the case, and the SAC is the predominant choice for enterprises today.

\n

I’m currently working with a few early LTSC adopters who are now looking to unwind their LTSC deployments and shift to SAC. There are several reasons why using the LTSC can turn out to be the wrong fit for the Windows 10 devices in an organization. For example, one organization deployed LTSC to bring forward the same IT rules and image creation and management processes they had used since Windows XP, in this case to new Surface devices. You can imagine the reaction of their end users when they excitedly opened their new Surface devices, only to find that features such as Camera, Ink, and Pen did not work—and that they were missing many of the modern, touch friendly version of apps—because the devices had been “repaved” with a Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC release.

\n

Another reason some organizations chose to adopt the LTSC centered around application compatibility. In talking with some of these organizations; however, initial concerns about application compatibility from release to release in their environment have proved to be a non-issue.

\n

Considerations

\n

All too often, I have seen strategic decisions about Windows 10 servicing options and the use of the Long-Term Servicing Channel driven by the wrong criteria; for example, IT professional familiarity prevailing over end user value and impact. The LTSC is designed for devices and use cases where features and functionality will not change. It provides 10 years of security servicing to a static Windows 10 feature set. If you are considering the LTSC for devices in your organization, please consider the following:

\n\n

Summary

\n

The Long-Term Servicing Channel a tool designed for a specific job. When used for the right job, it’s a great solution, but when misaligned, it can be like trying to drive a screw with a hammer. It’s, at best, unsatisfying, and likely problematic at some point.

\n

If you understand the considerations listed above, have secured hardware and support to align with the intended duration of usage, and have secured support for your applications, the LTSC can provide your organization with years of secure, static operation, with full servicing and support for its 10-year lifespan. For most use cases; however, I recommend the Semi-Annual Channel as the better option for security, stability, and hardware/application capabilities, and the overall experience of your end users.

\n

To learn more, check out our on demand session from Microsoft Ignite on The pros and cons of LTSC in the enterprise.

\n
\n

[i] Ten years of support includes a minimum of five years Mainstream Support (during which both security and non-security updates are provided) and a minimum of five years Extended Support (during which only security updates are provided). Please see the Fixed Lifecycle Policy for Microsoft Business, Developer and Desktop Operating Systems for more detail.

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все хорошо так держать!

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Some of the cleanest update paths ever on my PCs have been from 2016 LTSB to LTSC 2019 to LTSC 2021 over the years as software requirements increased: DX12, programs requiring v1909, etc.

Just load up the new ISO, install, and reboot right over top of the older version. It is nice to have a stable Operating system that just runs in the background and doesnt bother you (ads, ai, etc.).

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Hello 

I'm looking desperately for a clear statement if WSL1 or WSL2 are supported on Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021. 

Does anyone know this? I tried also the Bing Chat, to no avail. The Bing Chatbot keeps iterating that it is not supported, but cannot point me to a document that clearly states this. Instead I get pointed to documents with general content. 

 

Please help ... I know this is an older thread ... if there is a newer one, just let me know, I have no issue posting this again somewhere else. 

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Drat.  I just spent the last two hours writing an eloquent not-quite-but-almost-rant here, with **BLEEP**s where appropriate and everything -- only to have the Post operation fail with some sort of authentication error and throw the whole thing away.   BAD DESIGN.  Oh, whoops, yep, it's microsoft.com again.

Too sick and tired of you guys and your twisted worldview to try again right now, so I'll just tell you you're wrong; I deduce from a few of your remarks that maybe this is because you're too young to have ever worked with any operating system that was mature before Microsoft was a dominant player.  Well, see, I did work on several of them, and that's why I have the perspective to see all the shortcomings in Windows.

Which is a whole other matter than my beefs with Microsoft's overall unsavory business practices -- though certainly the two are entertwined.

You also seem to live in your own rather unique, special, bubble, where you have control over everybody and how they do things and what they do with their computers.  \"User freedom\" likely extends only-and-exactly as far as you and Microsoft have predecreed it should, and woe betide the extra-inquisitive sheep who worms his way through the fence and discovers he's not really on the Earth but in a tiny biome on a generation starship lost in the depths of space...

More later if I can get over my current ire at this stupid website,.

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Speak for yourself Chris_Chiesa. I manage thousands of clients and I find the stagnant nature of some It departments to cause stagnation in the business.

 

Sure, some users fire a computer to run a single app. But in many cases this is not the only thing ppl do. Now, I'm not only talking about Windows alone here, but the development of Windows in this direction is one key components in the current drive in flexibility and user efficiency we've seen over the past years, where we have pretty much changed everything, how we work, where we work, data flow, security and so on. 

 

What we fond was the illusion of stability through stagnation was a huge hindrance, and also a root cause of user dissatisfaction. 

 

Just look at businesses moving from a locked down W7 world to Mac. Ooooh, all is so much better now. Mac is better.

 

No, it's not. We have Mac as well. It's not better, it's not more efficient, and it does not cause more user satisfaction. It's the perceived difference by the change ad the hype of Apple.

 

With a rock solid managed W10/11 environment that is not locked down, with higher end devices, our users are now preferring Windows. And as long as they find what they're lokking for, and as long as clients are properly managed, they are pleased with this development.

 

We were one of the first organisation's in the world moving over to W8, I even got a Gandalf Style t-shirt from Microsoft because of this, and I've not look back since. 

 

Sure, you need to know what you're doing, you need to know how to make sure your users always see what they're looking for. Sometimes you need a tech tip of the day, a one liner of info, a week or so before rolling out the update, like the the new W8 start menu. But, at long at they open the menu and see what they need, they could not care less of this menu looks. And those who do care are power user enough to figure things out.

 

Also, what we see is this user freedom on the computers increases user general computer knowledge and expertise over time, and users we thought were technological imbeciles suddenly shows up at a presentation doing **bleep** you never expected etc.

 

So no, I don't agree, and I think your outdated. The world is not stagnant. And new users expect something else from us than we gave them 10 years ago. 

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Even on SSD, all monthly w10 updates takes a lot of time. It seems each month updates includes ALL the updates until then. Just check useless leftover c:\\Windows\\servicing\\LCU folder which grows at a rate of 100k files/folders (around 1 Gb) each month which is not recovered by DiskCleanup...

Many users claimed here that upgrades are seamless. I can assure that there will ALWAYS be problematic cases (worst of them where machine won't boot anymore), I can tell because my job is fixing those problems.

The other problem is the HUGE amount of LOGs Windows is constantly updating plus a huge quantity of scheduled tasks, most of them sending statistics of all activities to MS and other vendors. All of that reduces SSD life where writes degrade drive.

In Win7 disabling EventLog will ruin TaskScheduler (which some users may desire). In Win10 it will break so many things (including WiFi network listing), that is no longer an option.

My solution for now is a huge script which will disable most stuff: https://sourceforge.net/projects/optimwin-batch/

although it may break some stuff too...

Now that a new LTSC is available, I think it may be a better option than win10 wich seems to be abandoned anyway.

PS:  Microsoft managed the imposible: make Win11 worst than Win10.  I still use Win7 on my work machine. They should return to win3.11 and start over from there, they started to make terrible mistakes in win95 when for example they decided to use longnames for some system files/folder which may have same short name, and whats worst: Folder \"Program Files\" was different in each language. The WinSxS mess, keeping lots of versions of all libraries...

 

 

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Well said Chris_Chiesa

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Hey, Microsoft!  You guys have it exactly backwards!  Every Windows user is sick and tired to death of constant rolling changes, upgrades (*), new Windows versions, etc.  Sure, that's \"the experience we expect,\" but only in the sense that, say, farmers, know enough to expect a drought, a flood, or a plague of locusts, every so often -- but would be a whole eff-of-a-lot happier without them!  \"No changes in features and capabilities\" should be the default, and \"constant rolling upgrades and fixes\" should be what you have to pay extra for -- not the other way around!   Oh, but then we wouldn't be supported?  Guess what, the last time I phoned Microsoft support was sometime circa 1999, and they couldn't answer my question, and I've never ever found myself in deep enough doo-doo to need to resort to you guys ever again.  Indeed, I myself have often ended up in the position of giving support to other people.

At this point, though, it doesn't really matter.  I, and a gratifyingly large proportion of people I've talked to, are feeling so completely-and-utterly betrayed by the announcement of Windows 11, that we have collectively vowed never to use it, or any later version of Windows you may come out with thereafter.  There are alternatives -- better alternatives! -- even if we end up having to write them ourselves.  With any luck, Microsoft, you've finally screwed yourself into a corner.  I hope you get what's coming  to you: user abandonment en masse, total collapse, and embarrassing bankruptcy.  May that then spread, too, to your equally guilty croni-- er, business associates.   See you in World Court; I have a pretty good case that you're also guilty of Crimes Against Humanity.

 

(* - I use the term \"upgrades\" very loosely, and mostly ironically, because every \"upgrade\" I've ever received, from Microsoft or any other vendor who believes in that concept, has been much more in the nature of a downgrade -- useful features removed, useless fluff added, general dumbing-down.  You have a lot of gall in your terminology; you're just lucky so many people are so stupid, and I'm just lucky I'm not.)

 

 

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John Wilcox @Thanks, oh what I meant was that the entire store environment is unstable on every single consumer Windows 10/11 PC I have used. But not on LTSC, no trouble there whatsoever.

 

What I like about LTSC, is that the store environment is stable on this platform. As are the automatic updates. As a matter of fact I have a script that I found that totally shuts off defender and auto updates. I don’t like defender at all, I have my own AV which is pretty solid and does not require constant updates and tweaking. So I disable Defender and Edge Smartscreen, but I’ll use SmartScreen if I’m on questionable websites with #SpamAds. Or, sites with security issues.

 

I shut off auto updates only when I have a long running project. Usually I keep ‘em on and I check once a month, unless I hear about a desired update. And then I run it several times to make sure I get everything.

 

I find the whole LTSC environment way more stable. I don’t know why, if you say it’s mounted on the same framework as Home/Pro. I loathe Home because I need access to the Group Policy Editor constantly. Home networking has also been easier on all pro systems going back all the way to XP… and Win 2K…

 

I have LTSC installed on a Big Mac Pro 5,1 box with two 6 core Xeons. 6 core, 12 threads, times two is 24 threads and lots of power. BUT… it still takes up to 6 minutes to boot. It may be the Bootcamp environment. But the system is way more dependable than all of my other PCs and laptops.

 

In fact I have a very rapid Lenovo t420 Thinkpad, 8 gb/i5 with SATA III, and an ADATA 512 gb 3D NAND SSD. It benches fast. THIS was the w10 Pro system where I had much trouble with the Store. No problems with AutoUpdates though. Finally I got it updated to 21H2. I think that is the release. And the store got fixed.

It will not allow me to get Windows 11 though, ☹️


Thanks.

 

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Alex Garin   Thanks for chiming in with the idea of \"Windows Update for Business\" - that definitely can be an option to deal with updates (and there are always other options available to block updates entirely).

 

In my case, I opted for Enterprise LTSC because that seemed the easiest option to avoid installing all the default Windows apps on my Intel Compute Stick devices. I guess that's a very non-typical use case but still, sometimes it's needed. I'll also enable Write Filter to minimize writes to the disk because it's not replaceable.

 

I hope Microsoft will learn from their mistakes and provide better options for Windows 11 - also for those who want an extra lean system without default apps.

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