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- JpanskiBrass Contributor
On a Hyper-V host, regarding the certificate update process, is there an order to do things in meaning does it matter if the secure boot certificate update process is started first on the host and does the host need to be fully updated before starting the VMs? I am aware of the requirements of the firmware needing to be up to date and at least the March updates being installed on both the host and VMs. Thank you.
- mihiBrass Contributor
Answered at 14:30 in the video.
Secure Boot process is completely separate between Guest and Host, the order does not matter.
To enable secure boot on the host, the host needs to be powered down. This will obviously prevent the VMs from still running, but it does not matter whether they are shut down or paused.
- robbinsaCopper Contributor
I'm curious about an updated ADK as well as official guidance on how to address PXE w/ WDS:
"A new checkbox, Use Windows Boot Loader signed with Windows UEFI CA 2023, is available in the Data Source tab of boot image properties. When enabled, it updates the boot image to use the boot loader signed with Windows UEFI CA 2023. The checkbox automates the mitigation steps described in KB5025885.
The new functionality only works on WDS-Less PXE-enabled Distribution Points."
- robbinsaCopper Contributor
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- BlueSakuraBrass Contributor
Yes, please assist!
- Ben_DraperCopper Contributor
On the Intune Secure Boot Status Page - https://intune.microsoft.com/#view/Microsoft_EMM_ModernWorkplace/SecureBootReport.ReactView - all of my 900+ devices are showing as Certficate Status = "not applicable".
3rd party scripts are helping to confirm that updated certs are in place on my devices, but I would like to see the official status page working properly.
What are the pre-requsite factors needed in order to make this report on our devices provide accurate statuses on my laptops? - GLPOccasional Reader
What do I have to do to get the new certificates to Windows 11 and server ISOs? Will they be integrated in newer ISOs in the near future or do I have to do something manually to add them?
- mihiBrass Contributor
Answered at 5:30 in the video.
One addition, even if they are added to the ISO, this does not mean they will update any "leftover" devices during the installation phase. It only means that those media can boot from machines that do not trust the old certificates any longer.
- acamachorCopper Contributor
Hello, there is a way to force the download of the new CA2023 certificate in Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows Server 2016, Windows Server 2019 and Windows Server 2022? I dind't find a way to force them? Thanks.
- mihiBrass Contributor
The AvailableUpdates registry key and the scheduled task should work the same way as on client machines.
On 2012R2 you will need ESU updates since the July 2025 update is required (and the November 2025 update is recommended to avoid compatibliity issues) and 2012R2 won't receive those without ESU. All the other mentioned server OSes should still be in support so you can have them fully updated without requiring ESU.
What happens when you try to use the AvailableUpdates registry key? Will it jump back to zero or 0x4000, and are there any events logged in system event log?
- Joe_FriedelBrass Contributor
Since devices are getting the latest high confidence database with monthly cumulative updates which they use to determine if they should automatically initiate the certificate update process, what exactly is the point of the Configure Microsoft Update Managed Opt In setting? The description makes it sound like this setting is going to do what the high confidence process is already doing and I'm not seeing that setting change behavior on my devices.
- mihiBrass Contributor
You should not confuse the Controlled Feature Rollout (CFR) process with the High Confidence rollout via latest cumulative update (LCU) process. The CFR process generally only targets devices that show no signs of being managed (e.g. not joined to a Windows domain) and that have telemetry setting sufficiently high, and that can actually communicate with Microsoft servers.
The CFR process will pick random members of each Bucket, and try to install the update on them even if they are not High Confidence yet, in the expectation that if anything goes horribly wrong™, they will quickly notice via telemetry. If first signs look good, they will push it to a larger group (some percent) of that Bucket, and if the telemetry is positive, it will be (a) pushed to all devices of that Bucket via CFR and (b) included into next monthly update. (How exactly the CFR process picks the initial candidates is not published as far as I know, but I assume there will be some more factors, like whether the user is enrolled to Windows Insider program and/or how often the machine is used, to keep the disruption to normal customers low and the telemetry quality high).
Therefore, CFR process will reach devices faster than LCU process, at the expense that you act as Guinea Pigs for Microsoft.
By default, only non-managed devices take part in CFR process; by setting this registry key, you can basically offer your machines to be Guinea Pigs for Microsoft even if they are managed.
- RichP1930Brass Contributor
We have Autopatch enabled on our devices and the April update has already been deployed. yet autopatch still reports a large qty of devices needing the cert update. Is autopatch going to push those updates or do we need to configure a setting?
- Mabel_Gomes
Microsoft
You will need an Intune policy do deploy the AvailableUpdates registry key to trigger Secure Boot Update tasks on demand. See details here: Microsoft Intune method of Secure Boot for Windows devices with IT-managed updates - Microsoft Support.
- mihiBrass Contributor
Not using Autopatch myself, but I do not think Autopatch will push Secure Boot updates to devices that are not yet marked High Confidence in any way, so if you want the rate to go up, you'd manually need to trigger the updates (or opt into CFR process via Microsoft Managed Opt In) via one of the supported methods (Intune, WinCS, Group Policy, Registry).
- SofienAzriCopper Contributor
Hi,
We have already completed the BIOS update roll-out across all PC models in our environment.
In parallel, we are deploying the Secure Boot CA 2023 certificate upgrade using a Microsoft Intune configuration profile. Due to the very slow adoption rate observed during monitoring—both through Intune policy status and Secure Boot compliance reports—we have also introduced a remediation script to support the deployment.
Despite these efforts, the increase in deployed devices remains limited. This behavior may be related to policy application constraints or required system restarts. According to several references, the Secure Boot update process may require up to two device restarts before the changes are fully applied and reported.
Questions:
1- what is the Best way to complete the task, is to go with Registry settings and schedule the task, or with Config profile over Microsoft Intune?
2- Will the May Patch Tuesday update scheduled for May 12 guarantee a resolution of this issue and help increase the deployment and compliance numbers?- mihiBrass Contributor
- Regardless which way you are choosing (Intune, Group Policy, manual), each way will ultimately result in setting the same registry key. So there should not be any "Best way" for triggering the job. Probably the "Best way" is to actually monitor the reasons why adoption rate is not going up (e.g. errors in event log, if any) to determine whether the devices do not get compliant due to hardware incompatibilities or due to a missing restart)
- The May Patch Tuesday will obviously provide one more chance for a restart, but I doubt it will guarantee resolution of anything. In case the devices have a known hardware issue (also present in the latest firmware version) preventing the update running automatically, this will not "magically" make the updates work. But there should be a sufficient amount of error information in the event log to diagnose this and to decide whether any actions other than waiting are needed.
- ArturCzepukojcCopper Contributor
Will the expired Secure Boot certificates affect Intune compliance policy "Secure Boot - Required"? Can devices start failing on it?
- NaotsuguCopper Contributor
Hi,
Could you please confirm if my understanding of KEK's update logic is correct?
- In a WSUS environment (IT management environment):
(1) Automatic (If High Confidence applies):
When Windows Update (LCU) is installed via WSUS, the OS determines its own hardware.
If it matches the High Confidence Database (and the administrator has not opted out), the OS automatically triggers the Secure Boot update.
(2) Manual (Using AvailableUpdates):
If it does not match High Confidence (or if waiting for automatic determination is not possible), after installing Windows Update (LCU) via WSUS and completing the file placement, the administrator manually sets AvailableUpdates to 0x5944 to forcibly trigger the update.
- For non-WSUS environments (Microsoft managed environments):
(1) Automatic (Basic):
When a regular Windows Update (LCU) is installed, Secure Boot updates are automatically triggered when the machine becomes eligible for the High Confidence Database.
(2) Manual (Exception):
Even in non-WSUS environments, if you absolutely want to apply the update immediately without waiting for automatic application (High Confidence certification), it is technically possible to force a trigger by setting the AvailableUpdates registry to 0x5944 with administrative privileges.
- mihiBrass Contributor
As a very general summary, this is roughly correct.
- This does not only refer to the KEK update, but updates of all the Secure Boot keys. For KEK, there also needs to be a signature by the vendor of your firmware (its Platform Key) submitted to Microsoft so that the KEK can be updated.
- Whether a device is considered managed or not depends not only on whether WSUS is used, but also whether the device is domain-joined and whether telemetry is enabled and actually usable, and maybe other factors
- All the mentioned registry options (both for opting in via Available updates and for opting out) are available on all devices, managed or not
- The main difference between managed and unmanaged devices is that unmanaged devices can also receive their update via Controlled Feature Rollout (if they are lucky/unlucky and telemetry suggests that it should be tried), resulting in potentially being updated before the LCU that sets them to high confidence reaches them. However, there is no way to enforce or trigger whether you will be Chosen a Guinea Pig for Microsoft or not (if you are an unmanaged device)
- In case Microsoft considers your device managed, but you have telemetry enabled and explicitly want your device to be used as a Guinea Pig, you can set MicrosoftUpdateManagedOptIn registry key. This only has an effect if your device is considered managed.
- NaotsuguCopper Contributor
Thank you for your answer, mihi.
I understand it very well now.