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IndustrialAutomation wrote:Elliot Kirk This boils down to trust and it affects the whole of Microsoft, not just Edge. You build a platform, we invest in it and you abandon it. If we have to put up with that then we might as well use FOSS. You screwed us on Silverlight, then on Windows Phone. It looks suspiciously like the same thing is going to happen to WinIOT. Using the pen to mark up web pages is a value proposition that sets a Surface apart from lesser convertibles. The pen is worthless without platform integration. If you remove it the way you removed voice control of music from my Windows Phone, then tell me why I shouldn't ask for a refund?
Windows phone was destined to lose..I could tell it from the beginning. comparing how Android was taking over the market in such a fast pace..it's actually one of the things that Bill Gates very much regrets about and he himself confessed it, that why Microsoft didn't build something like Android first and instead let Google do it.
HotCakeX Maybe, but Windows Phone was way better than Android. Way better. In fact, Windows Phone then was still better than Android is now. I know because I use Android. So yeah, Microsoft could have made an iPhone clone like Google did, and that system may have succeeded. But I'm glad they tried to do something different and ahead of its time. Problem was that it was too late to the party and the ecosystems were already too established.
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Maybe, but Windows Phone was way better than Android. Way better. In fact, Windows Phone then was still better than Android is now. I know because I use Android. So yeah, Microsoft could have made an iPhone clone like Google did, and that system may have succeeded. But I'm glad they tried to do something different and ahead of its time. Problem was that it was too late to the party and the ecosystems were already too established.
Microsoft did something different ahead of its time and then they failed because it was already too established? I see a paradox here..
I say the problem was that Windows Phone was not open source so not all companies could utilize it. look at Android, every company can build their own OS based on that and be competitive.
that's why Android phones right now have the best hardware (CPU, camera etc)
Huawei phones, flagships of the flagships, top notch camera, CPU, foldable screen etc, Iphone users can only dream about it.
https://consumer.huawei.com/ae-en/phones/mate-x/
after the dispute between Google and Huawei, they made their own OS based on Android because it was open source. now if Microsoft had made Windows phone open source, Huawei might have chosen it instead but nope, only Microsoft should make phones and Nokia of course, the finnish doomed company.
HotCakeX Although I find your ideas appealing, I nevertheless have to disagree.
Android did not succeed because it was open source. The ten people for whom that is a deciding factor produce nothing and won't pay for anything.
Android succeeded because it went to market with app dev tools a year ahead of Windows Phone allowing it to define expectations both for developers, for end users, and for board manufacturers. Once that happens, different is wrong, putting competitors at a huge disadvantage. This is the same thing that entrenches Windows on the desktop.
Huwaei has the Chinese market to prop it up, and the support of the Chinese government which is probably quite pleased with the severing of dependence on an American company. From that point of view, Microsoft would not have been an improvement and such a change would have made Chinese language support a second class citizen.
To port Android or any other OS to a given suite of phone components you need a thing called a BSP (board support package). This is provided by the hardware manufacturer and is seldom open source. It is essentially a giant device driver written to provide APIs. Because Android got to market first by a wide margin these APIs are defined by the Android specification. The situation is parallel to gaming hardware where everything ships with Windows drivers, and anything else is pot-luck and poorly tested. For phones, everything ships with an Android BSP.
IndustrialAutomation I'd add that Android first sold that much because it was a cheap iOS copy. To many buyers back in 2006-2007, it was "like an iphone but less expensive"; because at that time, what people wanted was basically an iphone. That's what make it succeed at first, IMO.
