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Elliot Kirk
Microsoft
Nov 13, 2019Inking on Web Pages - Discussion
We have received a lot of feedback about supporting inking annotations for web pages like what we have in the current version of Microsoft Edge. Many users have told us that they use this functionali...
IndustrialAutomation
Nov 14, 2019Brass Contributor
Elliot Kirk This boils down to trust and it affects the whole of Microsoft, not just Edge. You build a platform, we invest in it and you abandon it. If we have to put up with that then we might as well use FOSS. You screwed us on Silverlight, then on Windows Phone. It looks suspiciously like the same thing is going to happen to WinIOT. Using the pen to mark up web pages is a value proposition that sets a Surface apart from lesser convertibles. The pen is worthless without platform integration. If you remove it the way you removed voice control of music from my Windows Phone, then tell me why I shouldn't ask for a refund?
- HotCakeXNov 14, 2019MVP
IndustrialAutomation wrote:Elliot Kirk This boils down to trust and it affects the whole of Microsoft, not just Edge. You build a platform, we invest in it and you abandon it. If we have to put up with that then we might as well use FOSS. You screwed us on Silverlight, then on Windows Phone. It looks suspiciously like the same thing is going to happen to WinIOT. Using the pen to mark up web pages is a value proposition that sets a Surface apart from lesser convertibles. The pen is worthless without platform integration. If you remove it the way you removed voice control of music from my Windows Phone, then tell me why I shouldn't ask for a refund?
Windows phone was destined to lose..I could tell it from the beginning. comparing how Android was taking over the market in such a fast pace..it's actually one of the things that Bill Gates very much regrets about and he himself confessed it, that why Microsoft didn't build something like Android first and instead let Google do it.
- JordanQNov 24, 2019Steel Contributor
HotCakeX Maybe, but Windows Phone was way better than Android. Way better. In fact, Windows Phone then was still better than Android is now. I know because I use Android. So yeah, Microsoft could have made an iPhone clone like Google did, and that system may have succeeded. But I'm glad they tried to do something different and ahead of its time. Problem was that it was too late to the party and the ecosystems were already too established.
- HotCakeXNov 24, 2019MVPSpoiler
JordanQ wrote:
Maybe, but Windows Phone was way better than Android. Way better. In fact, Windows Phone then was still better than Android is now. I know because I use Android. So yeah, Microsoft could have made an iPhone clone like Google did, and that system may have succeeded. But I'm glad they tried to do something different and ahead of its time. Problem was that it was too late to the party and the ecosystems were already too established.
Microsoft did something different ahead of its time and then they failed because it was already too established? I see a paradox here..
I say the problem was that Windows Phone was not open source so not all companies could utilize it. look at Android, every company can build their own OS based on that and be competitive.
that's why Android phones right now have the best hardware (CPU, camera etc)
Huawei phones, flagships of the flagships, top notch camera, CPU, foldable screen etc, Iphone users can only dream about it.
https://consumer.huawei.com/ae-en/phones/mate-x/
after the dispute between Google and Huawei, they made their own OS based on Android because it was open source. now if Microsoft had made Windows phone open source, Huawei might have chosen it instead but nope, only Microsoft should make phones and Nokia of course, the finnish doomed company.
- IndustrialAutomationNov 14, 2019Brass Contributor
HotCakeX Yes, I understand what went wrong there. It is nothing short of tragedy that Windows Phone lost out precisely because Microsoft tried to do a proper job of it instead of rushing a lashed-up **bleep**fight to market the way Google did.
But I'm sure you'll understand that I'm not pleased that every time I get an update, performance gets worse, features are pulled and battery life gets worse. I'd roll the last four updates back if I could.
- HotCakeXNov 14, 2019MVP
IndustrialAutomation wrote:HotCakeX Yes, I understand what went wrong there. It is nothing short of tragedy that Windows Phone lost out precisely because Microsoft tried to do a proper job of it instead of rushing a lashed-up **bleep**fight to market the way Google did.
But I'm sure you'll understand that I'm not pleased that every time I get an update, performance gets worse, features are pulled and battery life gets worse. I'd roll the last four updates back if I could.
I think Nokia was doomed lol
Finnish people were not very happy after an American company (Microsoft) bought their company (Nokia).
I'm kinda 50/50 about the new surface phone too. the one that has dual screen and runs Windows 10X.
I had heard before that it's going to run both Android and Windows 10X, not only Windows.
it's really great that it has Windows 10 but there are certain Android apps that are necessary on-the-go and they are not available on Windows store to install.
I could use an Android emulator but that's too much performance to sacrifice.
about the updates that you talked about, are they Windows 10 updates or Edge insider updates?
- Drew1903Nov 14, 2019Silver Contributor
IndustrialAutomation
I must say (add) as one reads the comments in here, all saying the same thing, BTW.
"Continue Edge features & functionality" <-- That's the nutshell, Reader's Digest version. Whether Add notes, Share (beside not, buried in the ellipsis), Reading list, a proper group w/ , Set Aside or a complete set of Reading view Tools.
This is stuff that makes Edge special, that draws Users to it. HELLOOoooo. This is stuff people take for granted as "standard equipment" for Edge. This is stuff PEOPLE know (Read: familiar), use AND LIKE! And like it the way it is, ALREADY... as in, leave well enough alone, don't re-invent the wheel. Make the guts better, make the guts the world's best... we'll love it and adopt it... BUT, don't mess with the mechanics. We like how it's laid out and how it works, on the surface, it's quite comfy... go nuts under the covers
At least, tell us the Edge features & functionality WILL be there. There's 2 months to go & we, still, do not see some basic requirements, the MUST HAVEs, the MUST KEEPs. The natives grow restless. Give a light at the end of the tunnel. It's not stuff to discuss. Has to exist as, it does, now. Edge MUST maintain the features & functionality it has, now; Even if, on a better performing Platform.
NB: Having Share w/out Add notes makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. W/out Add notes all one can 'share' from a web page is its URL. One of the Stars of Edge is that built in anything from a page can be, both, shared AND marked-up! That's why their icons sit side-by-side on the Edge Toolbar . Hello, they work together and they work well for people! Unless they are not there, then, the people will rebel.
Cheers,
Drew- HotCakeXNov 14, 2019MVPSpoiler
Drew1903 wrote:I must say (add) as one reads the comments in here, all saying the same thing, BTW.
"Continue Edge features & functionality" <-- That's the nutshell, Reader's Digest version. Whether Add notes, Share (beside not, buried in the ellipsis), Reading list, a proper group w/ , Set Aside or a complete set of Reading view Tools.
This is stuff that makes Edge special, that draws Users to it. HELLOOoooo. This is stuff people take for granted as "standard equipment" for Edge. This is stuff PEOPLE know (Read: familiar), use AND LIKE! And like it the way it is, ALREADY... as in, leave well enough alone, don't re-invent the wheel. Make the guts better, make the guts the world's best... we'll love it and adopt it... BUT, don't mess with the mechanics. We like how it's laid out and how it works, on the surface, it's quite comfy... go nuts under the covers
At least, tell us the Edge features & functionality WILL be there. There's 2 months to go & we, still, do not see some basic requirements, the MUST HAVEs, the MUST KEEPs. The natives grow restless. Give a light at the end of the tunnel. It's not stuff to discuss. Has to exist as, it does, now. Edge MUST maintain the features & functionality it has, now; Even if, on a better performing Platform.what Edge team is doing is reevaluating the Edge functionalities. they are trying to get more context. maybe there needs to be changes made to how Edge classic functionalities and features work, so instead of applying them to the new Edge, they could improve on them and add even something new.
- MinasCasiouAug 01, 2020Brass ContributorThat's fine, so long as we still have the old edge and can continue to use the features we've paid many thousands of dollars on devices for!
Very unprofessional service.
Think of the customer!