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pdh1968 wrote:So rather than fix the problem of Edge not working correctly with various website such as Facebook and Youtube, MS now hang their hat on the Chrome platform and hope its all going to sort itself out.
I moved away from Chrome because despite the hype from Google, it didn't do for me what it said on the can, and now we have another less option in the browser choices with Edge sucking up to that particular platform and dumping non Chrome users by the wayside. Hardly what I call and as you claim, listening.
Can anybody suggest a non Chrome based browser that will run web pages correctly? Is there anything left that has not been sullied by Google?
The original Edge classic is no longer an active project.
the underlying engine is chromium (not chrome or google chrome) although you're right it is being controlled by google. yes it is open source but also controlled and owned by google.
but I think they did it just because of the problems you mentioned above. like sites not loading correctly. and the other thing is extension support which Edge HTML was very poor at.
there are browsers like Firefox that run on a completely different engine and ecosystem if you want but what's your problem exactly with the chromium? you said "it didn't do for me what it said on the can"
Chrome for me was buggy, often crashing, and had issues with certain web pages when it presented them on the screen. Speed was another issue, watching the wheel turning to load a basic page. Tried on two other computers and roughly the same results. Ok Edge was not perfect but at least it worked, at least up until recently with the recovery page button being used almost daily now. Not so much an Edge issue but more lazy web page developers not writing their code to work on Edge.
Firefox I've tried and dumped as well, prodigious resource eater of the worst sort on the last few versions and little help from the developers.
You have to ask yourself why a browser developer like Google, when you are installing items on your computer, turn on by default the Chrome browser install and do their best to hide it away in small letters, and then do their best to try and talk you out of unticking the install option. I now see stealth installations of Chrome popping up on a monthly basis and have to manually once a month scan the installed programs list to remove the sodding thing from my program. You now get pop up pages, this page would work better if you install Chrome, and I have no way of turning off the flood of unwanted messages from a company that is to all extents bullying the end user.
Finally, innovation is dying if MS hang their hat onto the Chrome platform. Even more lesser choice for the end user working where the rubber meets the road. It does nothing to upset your end user base if they cannot get what they want. If MS really was listening they'd continue a proper development program of Edge and make it world class but to be honest the last two years of Edge has been pretty dire, almost as if MS want the software to die a lingering death rather than admit defeat.
Come back Netscape, all is forgiven.
pdh1968 wrote:Chrome for me was buggy, often crashing, and had issues with certain web pages when it presented them on the screen. Speed was another issue, watching the wheel turning to load a basic page. Tried on two other computers and roughly the same results. Ok Edge was not perfect but at least it worked, at least up until recently with the recovery page button being used almost daily now. Not so much an Edge issue but more lazy web page developers not writing their code to work on Edge.
Firefox I've tried and dumped as well, prodigious resource eater of the worst sort on the last few versions and little help from the developers.
You have to ask yourself why a browser developer like Google, when you are installing items on your computer, turn on by default the Chrome browser install and do their best to hide it away in small letters, and then do their best to try and talk you out of unticking the install option. I now see stealth installations of Chrome popping up on a monthly basis and have to manually once a month scan the installed programs list to remove the sodding thing from my program. You now get pop up pages, this page would work better if you install Chrome, and I have no way of turning off the flood of unwanted messages from a company that is to all extents bullying the end user.
Finally, innovation is dying if MS hang their hat onto the Chrome platform. Even more lesser choice for the end user working where the rubber meets the road. It does nothing to upset your end user base if they cannot get what they want. If MS really was listening they'd continue a proper development program of Edge and make it world class but to be honest the last two years of Edge has been pretty dire, almost as if MS want the software to die a lingering death rather than admit defeat.
Come back Netscape, all is forgiven.I've seen what you said too. 3rd party programs include hidden installations of Google chrome and Opera browser. there is the checkbox there but one needs to pay attention and don't click next quickly during setup.
I'd understand why Opera would do such thing as their market share is too low but It's surprising seeing Google doing such nasty tricks.
and then there is their "install google chrome browser" everywhere when you search something in google.
In my opinion, Microsoft should take Chromium project, create a fork of it and have their own engineers and developers work on it. so it will stay open source but it will be Microsoft this time, instead of Google, who chooses which changes are accepted into the source.
- Agree with the stealth installs don't like that either. But Chromium is not the same as Chrome. Both Google and MS, with some other companies, are developing it. So far I find the Chromium version of Edge works better than the classic Edge. Yes, it still has problems but it is still beta (or dev) so, that is to be expected. The underlying engine does not equal UI. In the end, it should give everyone a better web experience. with the UI you like to use. It would be great if you don't have to code exceptions in your web-based programs for each browser.
Now if they only could make a unified web programming language. Instead of the thrown-together mess of different technologies what web development is now. All, I beleive MS is working on that.erikvp
Yes, Erik, seems it is a good idea to occasionally remind people Chromium-based does not = Chrome. MS can easily build a Chromium-based browser that's better than others AND has its own identity.
It's, also, good reminding Folks that under-the-covers and cosmetics are 2 separate aspects. If the 'guts' are not good it, really, doesn't matter what shape corners are.
Cheers,
DrewWe've been here before with this sort of thing, one standard that everybody is supposed to be work to and the truth was the opposite.
Look up the Airbus A380 project, where the UK design team was using the specified version of Catia, while the French and German teams were using older versions, and then wondered why the various segments didn't line up on assembly. One version of the software, just different versions with different sides pulling in different directions. And the same will happen to Chrome.That could happen, On the other hand, the example of Philips after they invented the DVD. Decided to work together with Sony. They hoped that when, at the time, the 2 larges electronic makers worked together that they would force everyone else to use the same standards. This worked. So, let's hope that this example is what will happen with Chromium.
