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We're Listening!
erikvp wrote:
And you think China will sit by and do nothing. They will see it as a big change to get their stuff into the EU. Likely for free. The benefit for China is on all computers lots of their spyware to see what is happening and if needed control the computers in the EU. Like they do now at home.
and NSA is not doing it? I think you need to watch the movie Citizen Four, hear what Ed Snowden says.
no company in tech in innocent, everyone is the same.
China=Russian=EU=US=all parts of the world
HotCakeX, Of course, they all do it. But Not to the extent of China. There was an interesting documentary in Canada about how China tracks all the Muslims in the east of China. They have cameras everywhere, to track them throughout the day. All developed by Chinese tech companies. It is to such an extent that even George Orwell in 1984 could not imagine it. Now they want you to be able to unlock the phone only by face recognition. We can all make the right guess why they want that, Technology used wrong is the biggest threat to our freedom.
- Agreed lol Merry Christmas!
( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°) - I have been a programmer for 25 years, and let me tell you folks this is not a political forum. Go make your case in Facebook and let's deal with the issue that you can't drag a website to your desktop.
Merry Christmas! - Snowden is a Hero, he had the guts to leave all of his good life and all the money he was getting from his job and go live abroad just to tell the truth to the people in the world.
Russia is either equal to US or better.
you talk about FSB and I can say more about CIA, none of them are better than the other. don't think the west is angel and the east is evil, that's the biggest lie.
It's bigger than the scope of this topic anyway. I did there is a reason he is not getting over very trustworthy. He lives and is controlled now by Russia. He does not have the balls to stand up for his believes. I have respect for the TG soldier (forgot her name at the moment). She was willing to take the consequences for her actions. With Snowden's actions, he has a lot of dead people on his name. Lots of information he stole had nothing to do with the abuse some in the NSA did. That is now all in Russia's hand's lots of people got killed because of that. For me, he is nothing more than a traitor and a coward. If he wanted to bring out the abuse in the NSA he should have taken the data selectively. Like the other soldier did. Remember now Manning is her name.
Read the book and see if you still think of Putin and the FSB are such innocent people you seem to think they are. I personally have been followed by FSB agents. Talked to high ranking people in Russia. They are terrified to talk to you for more than a few minutes. They were drunk and still worried to death about the FSB people all around the ballroom. That is a great way to live, to be afraid for your life from your own government. I don't think we have that problem here.
- I suggest you watch this documentary of Edward Snowden:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4044364/ here is the link to the free copy (pdf)
willzuzak.ca/cl/putin/Litvinenko2007PutinBlowingUpRussia.pdf
I really had no clue how to comment on this. So, may I suggest you read
https://libertypublishinghouse.com/shop/english-language/blowing-up-russia-terror-from-within-english/
It is written by Alexander Litvinenk a former high ranking KGB officer who worked with Putin. It will be an eye-opener for you what Putin did. Give you one example. Bombing an apartment complex in Moscow so he could start a war. It is all well documented in the book with sources. There is a free download somewhere on the web that is not a pirated version. As for the example of China. If you can see the Canadian CBC, go to there website and look for the GEM page. Under the documentary, you will find it somewhere near the top. Again high ranking Chinese officials admitting on camera what they are doing. Before you think I am some nutcase rightwinger. By Canadian standards, I am a bit to the left of the center. What makes me by USA standards way to the left.
I think we better stop this discussion here. It is way off-topic.
- They don't need a cause to do mass surveillance. that's exactly what Edward Snowden said.
NSA is worse than China or Russia because they don't even have mercy for their own citizens.
China and Russia are trying to stop them from interfering into their countries and gathering data, that's why they are depicted badly in news and public media.
that's not new, the western control over public media and news gives them the ability.
of course NSA has help from Five eye as well. HotCakeX If you believe that, then you really have to read up of what is known. For example, the interference in the 2016 USA election by Russia, was done by mass surveillance through the access they had through facebook via that British company. We know this for sure because the Dutch counterpart of the NSA hacked into the group who was doing this. They could see in real-time what they did on their computers and even watch it on their own security cameras. Of course the moment the Dutch told the CIA it became public knowledge within a week or 2. After that, the Russians changed their security. Remember all the new computers that they got, as reported by your own news. Now you know why.
That the NSA tries to suck up everything they get is nothing new. All countries do that if they can. It is what you do to your own citizen that tells a lot about the people in power. I hope that you agree that western countries at least try to avoid their own citizens if they have no cause to do otherwise. You can not compare that to Russia, China and every other country with a strongman leader.
Also, what Google, Facebook, and some others know about you, would be a wet dream for any security organization to have full access to all that data. They know more about you then you do yourself.
- What Ed Snowden revealed about US was 10 times worse, on international scale.
