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Edge as a Snap?
Does Microsoft have any plans to issue a Snap for Edge? Ubuntu is moving in the direction of an https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-core-an-immutable-linux-desktop with Snaps as the foundation (version planned for 24.04 LTS) and at that point, in order to use Edge on the immutable version, an Edge Snap will be required.Edge-Linux (Stable) Flatpak
Microsoft Edge (Stable) for Linux is now available in the https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.microsoft.Edge. Until recently, Edge-Linux was available only as a beta in the Flathub beta channel. This is a game-changer for those of us who use Edge-Linux but don't use distros that support .deb or .rpm. I installed the Flatpak and have been using it for several days. It seems to be flawless, both in installation and in use.Flatpak and/or Snap?
Does Microsoft have any plans to develop/maintain a Snap and/or Flatpak for Edge-Linux? This is important for three reasons: (1) Canonical is beginning to force browser installation in Snaps (with Ubuntu 22.04, for example, Firefox will be forced as a Snap); (2) Flatpak will allow users of independent (that is, not .rpm or .deb based) distros to use Edge. (3) Edge is an important, unifying tool for those of us who work in a mixed Windows/Linux environment.Re: Edge extension suspicious connection
This issue has been widely reported in the last week or two. According to responses in other discussions concerning the issue: (1) The extensionwebstorebase.edgesv.net domain is obsolete, which is why Microsoft allowed the certificate to expire. (2) Edge, for whatever reason, still calls to the domain with respect to some extensions. (3) The Edge Team is pushing an Edge update to eliminate the issue, without an ETA known at this time. Unless you are willing to work through your extensions one by one attempting to find the culprit(s), I suspect your choices at this point are to (a) whitelist the extensionwebstorebase.edgesv.net domain in Bitdefender or (b) put up with the error message until the necessary changes have been made in Edge.Re: Edge on Linux, cannot import from Chrome or Chromium?
flort "I'm a tad lost on some of your terminology; I've been doing Unix/Linux for 25+ years, not sure what you mean by "registered". Usually, an app will just probe under $HOME/.config, etc." I used "registered" (in scare quotes) with intent, precisely because it is not a Linux term. The reason I did so is that the various discussions I've read on the topic are conflicting/unclear about the reasons why Edge and some other user-installed browsers have difficulty importing user data/settings from browsers other than the distro's default browser. I've seen suggestions that the issue arises because of data location, permissions and other things. I should have made that clear when I replied.Re: Edge on Linux, cannot import from Chrome or Chromium?
I wouldn't take this as a definitive answer, but this issue has been mentioned on a number of Linux forums, with respect to Chrome and other user-installed browsers. Based on those discussions, my guess is that your distro comes with Firefox as the pre-installed, default browser. Edge-Linux picks up bookmarks for import when the location of the bookmarks is "registered" with the distro. If Firefox is the default browser and the location of Firefox bookmarks are "registered" with the distro. Because you added Chrome/Chromium (presumably as a .deb or .rpm), the Chrome bookmarks may not be "registered" with the distro in a way that Edge-Linux recognizes. I can't personally test the issue because I refuse to use Chrome, period. But that is what the discussions on other forums suggest is going on. The workaround is to export your Chrome/Chromium (or other user-installed browser) bookmarks as an .html file, and then import the bookmarks into Edge-Linux from the .html file.Re: Utility of Linux dev channel users?
AnotherUsername "Now that a stable version has been released, I am considering moving my main browser usage to that from the dev channel. ... If the team doesn't get any meaningful value from me (a developer, including the web, and pushing the browser to the limits with lots of web sockets, massive indexeddbs, client-server architecture with service workers, etc.) using the dev version, then I'll definitely move to stable for the stability. If my usage *meaningfully* contributes, I'll stay on dev." I'm curious about why you think the choice is binary. Most of us who participate in the Insider programs use the stable version in our production environment and the beta/dev version in our testing/evaluation environment, providing frequent feedback to Microsoft. That seems to be the norm. "Am I ever going to get an honest answer to this, or just a "of course we value you" community-building answer?" Probably not. I've been a Windows Insider for many years, and an Edge Insider for over two years. I have not ever communicated directly with Microsoft in the way you seem to require, nor do I expect Microsoft to communicate directly with me on issues.Re: Flatpak for the final Linux version of edge is a necessity.
nycnikato Welcome to the forum nycnikato. I agree with you. I install a Flatpak (rather than a distro-specific package) whenever I am adding software, if a Flatpak exists. However, we've discussed this several times in the forum, and Microsoft seems to have no intention of wrapping Edge-Linux in a Flatpak, however little sense that makes. I'm not quite sure why, but I think that it has to do with Microsoft's focus on business/enterprise clients and developers rather than on Linux desktop users. Edge-Linux Stable has yet to be released into the consumer channel, although it is available in the business channel. A community-developed Flatpak is under development and I've been using it on Solus OS 4.3 Budgie (see Edge-Linux Flatpak Beta - Unofficial - Microsoft Tech Community) but that project is temporarily on hold, pending release of Chrome into the Flathub Stable repository (see https://github.com/flathub/com.microsoft.Edge/issues/88) for further developments on that project. We started raising Edge-Linux on this forum in April 2019. After a lot of hounding and happy talk, Microsoft released a Dev version a year ago, and a Beta version in May. Stable is now released (see Edge-Linux Stable - Microsoft Tech Community), but only in the business channel and as a Windows Server related download. That's absurd, but the whole history of Edge-Linux has been absurd, in my opinion.Re: Edge-Linux Stable
As of this morning (11/3/2021 at 4:43 am US CST), this is the download situation: On the https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge?r=1&ranMID=24542&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-zQnbB5E40J0mju6MM7sbHg&epi=TnL5HPStwNw-zQnbB5E40J0mju6MM7sbHg&irgwc=1&OCID=AID2200057_aff_7593_1243925&tduid=%28ir__i2z2olp9p0kf6kotsq1xe02xl22xo2zzj1pop9tl00%29%287593%29%281243925%29%28TnL5HPStwNw-zQnbB5E40J0mju6MM7sbHg%29%28%29&irclickid=_i2z2olp9p0kf6kotsq1xe02xl22xo2zzj1pop9tl00 Edge download page, accessed via Windows 11, Edge-Linux is not a download option: On the consumer-side Edge download page, accessed via Linux, Edge-Linux is not a direct download option, but can be indirectly accessed via a "Using Windows Server?" download option. On the main screen, a splash above the download options box announces "Now on Linux", with a link: Clicking on "Click to Download" opens this area of the screen: Using the "Using Windows Server?" link, it is possible to download both the .deb and .rpm versions of Edge-Linux. Edit/Update (11/3/2021 at 9:34 am US CST): The "Using Windows Server?" download links now appear on the Windows-accessed version of the consumer website. The dropdown box at the top of the page has not yet added a link to Edge-Linux. On the https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/business/download download page, Edge-Linux is available as a direct download option: It is not at all clear, to say the least, what Microsoft is up to vis a vis Edge-Linux Stable downloads. It is entirely possible, I suppose, that Microsoft has not yet fully updated its consumer-side "Download Edge" pages, typical of Microsoft's fall-all-over-itself lack of coordination. But I wonder if Microsoft might be marketing Edge-Linux to focus on business/enterprise and developer use rather than Linux-on-the-desktop use. That -- and Microsoft's release of Edge-Linux only in .deb and .rpm formats -- would be consistent with Microsoft's apparent strategy of supporting Linux primarily for business use. Who knows? A community-based project is likely to bring Edge-Linux Stable to Flathub at some point, but as far as I know, that has not yet happened. At present, I think that it is fair to say that the situation is in flux.Edge-Linux Stable
Edge-Linux Stable appears to be rolling out. Although not yet available (as of noon US Central time, this date) on the https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge?brand=M021&OCID=AID2200286_SEM_eb7e3faa46bc148555785e2b2849f358%3aG%3as&ef_id=eb7e3faa46bc148555785e2b2849f358%3aG%3as&msclkid=eb7e3faa46bc148555785e2b2849f358&r=1 page, Linux-Edge (.deb and .rpm) is available on the https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/business/download#:~:text=Get%20started%20with%20Microsoft%20Edge%20for%20business%201,legacy%20sites.%203%20Understand%20identity%20support%20and%20configuration download page. It has been a long wait. Edge Dev was introduced a year ago, and Edge Beta was introduced in May.Re: Will windows 11 support all 7th gen CPUs
mohith1402 "Can you reply please tell me where to address this issue if I contact Microsoft support some say that 7th gen incompatible some say all the 7th gen are compatible please wait for windows public release but it seems like they are not going to add any CPUs in coming days" As an alternative to running around chasing your own tail, you can wait and see what Microsoft does when it does whatever it does. Although Microsoft often changes course in unexpected ways, current Microsoft documents (see above comments) support your supposition that "it seems like they are not going to add any CPUs in coming days", so I think you can take that option off the table. At present, Microsoft supports a few 7th Gen X-series processors for Windows 11. Microsoft might expand support to more 7th Gen processors in the future, but it might not because there are significant security differences (related to the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities, among other things) between 7th Gen and 8th Gen (and subsequent). The architecture differences between the generations seems to be what is driving the line drawn between 7th Gen and 8th Gen. You will not find an answer in this forum, because this forum addresses Microsoft Edge issues, not Windows issues. I suggested earlier that you might find better information in the https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_11?sort=LastReplyDate&dir=Desc&tab=All&status=all&mod=&modAge=&advFil=&postedAfter=&postedBefore=&threadType=All&isFilterExpanded=false&page=1 but I doubt it. I did a search within that forum this morning and found no information of any value.Re: Will windows 11 support all 7th gen CPUs
mohith1402 You should post your questions/information at the https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_11?sort=LastReplyDate&dir=Desc&tab=All&status=all&mod=&modAge=&advFil=&postedAfter=&postedBefore=&threadType=all&isFilterExpanded=false&page=1. This forum is for Microsoft Edge, not Windows 11.Re: Will windows 11 support all 7th gen CPUs
mohith1402 "... my laptop is in the dell list which you provided ..." Yup, I missed it, although the fact that Dell is testing the computer doesn't mean that the computer will make the Windows 11 cut: "This article designates Dell laptops and desktops that will be tested for upgrade to Windows 11 once that operating system releases. If your device is not listed below, Dell is not testing the device and drivers will not be upgraded for that model." I'm not sure what Dell means by "will be tested for upgrade to Windows 11 once that operating system releases". The Dell article was released July 21, at a point where Microsoft was saying the 7th Gen processors were being tested as part of the Insider program, and Microsoft's testing process looks like it has come to an end -- See "https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/08/27/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements-and-the-pc-health-check-app/" (released August 27), which says this: "In June, we heard your questions about how we set the Windows 11 minimum system requirements and shared more information on the established principles that guided us in setting them. And as a team, we committed to exploring through Windows Insider testing and with OEMs whether there were devices running on Intel 7th Generation and AMD Zen 1 processors that met our principles." "Following the results of our testing, we are making a small number of additions to the compatible processor list (explained further below), but otherwise will maintain the minimum system requirements as originally set. We have concluded that the compatible 64-bit processors selected, 4GB of memory, 64GB of storage, UEFI secure boot, graphics requirements and TPM 2.0 are the right minimum system requirements to deliver on the principles we established to best support you." It all depends on Microsoft's future decisions about 7th Gen processors, I guess. Based on the linked article from Microsoft, though, I doubt that the situation will change before October 5.Re: Will windows 11 support all 7th gen CPUs
mohith1402 "One of the support agent of Microsoft gave me the list of some computer will will be eligible for windows 11 update here is the list ..." Thanks very much for the information. Focusing on Dell, the list Microsoft support provided to you is very interesting, because the list suggests that Microsoft's right hand has no idea what Microsoft's left hand is doing. References: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000187485/dell-computers-tested-for-upgrade-to-windows-11 Looking at Dell computers that you and I own: (1) Dell Latitude 7280 (i5-7300U) - The computer is on the list you provided. The computer has been enrolled in the Windows 11 Insider program. I received notification from Microsoft that the computer will not be supported for Windows 11 upon release, and that I should revert to Windows 10 at this point. The 7300U is not listed as a supported processor on Microsoft's list of compatible processors. The computer is not on Dell's list of computers being tested for Windows 11 compatibility, and Dell will not provide Windows 11 drivers for the computer. Microsoft's updated "PC Health Check" (currently available to Insiders, to be released to the public shortly) indicates that the computer is not eligible for upgrade to Windows 11. (2) Dell Inspiron 3584 (i3-7020U) - The computer is on the list you provided. The 7020U is not listed as a supported processor on Microsoft's list of compatible processors. The computer is not on Dell's list of computers being tested for Windows 11 compatibility, and Dell will not provide Windows 11 drivers for the computer. (3) Dell Latitude 7390 (i5-8350U) - The computer is not on the list you provided. The computer is not enrolled in the Windows 11 Insider program. The i7-8350T is on Microsoft's list of compatible processors. The computer is on Dell's list of computers being tested for Windows 11 compatibility, and Dell will, in all likelihood, provide Windows 11 drivers for the computer. Microsoft's updated "PC Health Check" (currently available to Insiders, to be released to the public shortly) indicates that the computer is eligible for upgrade to Windows 11. I have no idea what this all means. We both own computers on the list Microsoft provided to you, and you provided to us. Neither computer has a processor that is on Microsoft's compatibility list, neither is on the list of computers that Dell intends to support for Windows 11, and one (my Latitude 7280) got bounced from the Windows 11 Insider program a few days ago because it was not eligible for the upgrade. The list you provided seems to be in conflict with Microsoft's list of supported processors, Dell's list of computers being tested for Windows 11 compatibility, and Microsoft's upgraded PC Health Check. Go figure. Microsoft's PC Health Check https://www.microsoft.com/en-in/windows/windows-11#pchealthcheck. When it is released, you can download the tool and run the check on your computer. That should give you a definitive answer for the October 5 release, although Microsoft might continue to add processors to the list of compatible processors in the future. I guess that all we can do is wait and see.Re: Will windows 11 support all 7th gen CPUs
"But the Microsoft support team told that they will add 7th gen CPUs before Oct 5th." Could you point us to a document (or other source) in which Microsoft said that? If Microsoft announced -- anywhere -- that Microsoft "will add 7th gen CPUs before Oct 5th", it would be welcome news -- and important enough to be widely reported in the trade media -- but there has been nothing reported in the media or (to my knowledge) in Microsoft documents concerning Windows 11. "There are still updates coming in the following days. Means they are really making additions to the list?" Windows 11 issued Build 22000.176 to the Release Preview Channel a few days ago. The Build is almost certainly RTM or close to it, and updates between Build 22000.176 and the release Build are likely to be minor. Anything is possible with Microsoft, I suppose, but Microsoft has been notifying Windows Insiders with 7th Gen processors (e.g. my Dell Latitude 7280 with an i5-7300U processor) that we should revert to Windows 10. Your guess is as good as mine, but it doesn't look like 7th Gen processors will be supported by October 5th. I would like to be wrong about that, but I don't see any indication at all that Microsoft is going to support 7th Gen processors by October 5. A year down the road, who knows?Re: Will windows 11 support all 7th gen CPUs
mohith1402 Check Microsoft's list of supported processors to check on a particular processor: "https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors". Microsoft has given no indication whatsoever that the list will be expanded to include 7th Gen Intel Core processors. Microsoft began notifying Windows Insider participants running on unsupported processors to https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/microsoft-is-kicking-unsupported-pcs-out-of-windows-11-testing/ar-AANYp37?ocid=BingNewsSearch Microsoft is starting to drop PCs from its Windows Insider testing program that are ineligible to upgrade to Windows 11. If you’ve been helping Microsoft test Windows 11 on a machine that doesn’t meet the minimum hardware requirements, you’ll likely see a message in Windows Update warning that you’ll need to reinstall Windows 10. “Your PC does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11,” says Microsoft’s warning. “Your device is not eligible to join the Windows Insider Program on Windows 11. Please install Windows 10 to participate in the Windows Insider Program in the Release Preview Channel.” Windows 11 testers in both the Dev and Beta channels have started receiving the message on incompatible PCs this week, just as Microsoft has announced its October 5th release date for the upcoming OS. It’s something that Microsoft warned testers would happen at the beginning of the beta period of Windows 11, but it still highlights the often confusing minimum hardware requirements that Microsoft has set. Microsoft also issued an updated explanation of why Microsoft's requirements are what they are: "https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/08/27/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements-and-the-pc-health-check-app/". Both suggests that Microsoft will not expand the list before Windows 11 is released on October 5. In a word, the answer to your question "Will windows 11 support all 7th gen CPUs?" is, at this time, "No."
