Mailbag: Black Friday (Issue #3)
Published Sep 20 2018 03:02 AM 401 Views

First published on TechNet on Nov 27, 2014


Mark and Tom here again with Mailbag Issue #3. Keep a copy of these first issues in the walls somewhere , they’ll be worth a fortune one day. We hope all of our friends in the US had a great Thanksgiving and that all of our friends around the rest of the world had a great last Thursday in November. If you aren’t standing in line for a great deal on a mediocre TV, here’s what we’ve got for you this week:


Migrating to ADFS 3.0 and token signing certificates

Expanding Windows Storage Pools

More AD PowerShell goodness

Adventures in domain controller computer account password resets

From the Interwebs



When migrating to ADFS 3.0 on Windows Server 2012 R2 will the migration scripts that migrate the relying party trusts also migrate the token signing certificate?


Yes. The internally generated self-signed token signing and token decrypting certificates will be migrated. If you have certificates issues by an enterprise or public CA, you will need to move these manually. There are a few other settings that are not migrated automatically, so check out this TechNet article for specifics.



Reading the previous AskPFEPlat post on expanding Storage Spaces, how do I update my pools to add capacity when I’ve added large disks to the server, for example by replacing 2TB disks with 4TB disks?


Martin’s legacy lives on in these posts. Take a look at this FAQ about Storage Spaces on Windows Server 2012 and Windows Server 2012 R2. This section has all of the details on changing physical drives . The really important note in there is:

Removing the disk will not succeed if a simple space depends on the disk.

Otherwise, you’re golden.



The info on AD commands in PowerShell from last week was great, but I need a bit more meat. Whatcha got for me?


We had a post previously about alternate learning options and Microsoft Virtual Academy. MVA has come through again. Ashley “CelebPFE” McGlone is the star of the show with six hours of great PowerShell with AD . Check it out.



I noticed that one of my DCs was failing to replicate. I ran the netdom command to reset the machine account password, but after I reboot it’s still failing to replicate. What gives?


This one came up this week while I was working with a customer. We discovered a DC that had been failing to replicate for a few days. Given that we were seeing access denied and The target principal name is incorrect from repadmin and the logs (and the that replication delta was well within TSL), we took the obvious first step of resetting the machine password and rebooting the DC.

Running repadmin /replsum gave us this:


Easy enough. Let’s reset the machine account password and reboot.

From the broken DC, we ran:

Netdom resetpwd /s:DC01 /ud:corp\tommos- /pd:*


Note the highlighted server (/s) switch . We need to tell it to reset the password and update a good domain controller that will be able to replicate the password change to other DCs. Right now the broken DC, DC02, can’t replicate. If we update the password against DC02’s NTDS instance, we’ll still be in the chicken and egg scenario where DC02 has a new machine account password set that none of the other DCs are aware of and it’s still failing to replicate because of that.


We ran the above and rebooted. Not surprisingly, this didn’t fix our issue. We’d forgotten a key step: Setting the KDC to manual prior to reboot.


The reason for this is relatively simple to understand once we look at all of the parts involved.

  • We’ve got a domain controller that hasn’t replicated with the other DCs in some period of time.
  • That DC reboots and the KDC starts. The machine will request service tickets from itself .
  • Assuming the copy of NTDS on the broken DC has a password that the DC itself thinks is current or the last password, it will authenticate successfully and receive a TGT… But, that password is different than what the other DCs know about.
  • The TGT and service tickets issued by DC02 to itself will be invalid on other DCs as the tickets were encrypted using a different secret.
  • Replication (and other things) will still fail.

We can verify this by running klist -li 0x3e7 from a Windows Server 2012 or 2012 R2 domain controller. It’ll work on older DCs as well, but we won’t see the Kdc Called field, which is what we’re interested in here. The -li 0x3e7 parameter tells klist to give us SYSTEM Kerberos tickets.

Note: Depending on how broken it is, you may not see the above. For the purposes of demonstration in my lab, I disconnected the VM NIC and forced a password reset on the DC, twice, to provide a loose reproduction. It may fail to authenticate entirely which would result in no tickets at all.

Whatever happened with the machine account password is hard to know for sure, but all of the other DCs replicated some change, and the problem child didn’t. After rebooting, and forgetting to set the KDC to manual, replication is still failing:


We needed to set the KDC service to manual, run the netdom command, and reboot. When the DC starts, it won’t be able to request any tickets from itself, so it’s forced to go to a good domain controller for a ticket. The new TGT and service tickets will be valid on the other replicas and replication will succeed. Below you can see that the DC obtained a TGT from DC03 startup.


Now we can set the KDC service back to automatic. And if we wait a few minutes and check back, we’ll see that replication is healthy.


TL;DR: We have to prevent the KDC from starting at boot so the domain controller obtains a TGT and service tickets from a known good domain controller. Replication will then succeed.

Stuff from the Interwebs


It’s the Friday after Thanksgiving (in the US…) so if you work in the places where I’ve worked that don’t have the day off, probably half of your team is there and you’re all bored. So here’s some stuff to work on.

  • Xbox Music Deals: Check out this blog post over on the Windows blog. Lots of crazy music deals available on Xbox Music. I (Tom) bought the entire Led Zeppelin box set, The Complete Led Zeppelin, for two bucks. The offers include box sets and albums, as well as 100 free albums.
  • The Jurassic World trailer . Check it. The movie comes out in June of 2015. Speaking of dinosaurs and summer of 2015, Windows Server 2003 is end of life in July 2015, so get to upgrading .
  • Xbox Digital Store Deals : Today through 12/1, you can get a bunch of Xbox One titles for cheap. And they’re digital, so no waiting for media.
  • Bored this weekend? I’ll just leave this review of Halo: The Master Chief Collection here.
  • If you want to thank Mark for all of his tireless AskPFEPlat work, buy him this .


Keep sending questions and feedback! We look forward to emails and comments.


-Mark “On the Gravy Train” Morowczynski and Tom “Whole Lotta Turkey” Moser

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