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Phil-
Thank you for your response. I did not see this until today so I apologize for the delay.
With respect, I do not find this to be an acceptable answer and I'm sure there are many here reading this that agree.
I don't work for Microsoft so I'm not anticipating you sharing with us internal design decisions or really responding with much more than "I'm sorry you feel that way, that's the way it is", but I'd still like to put this out there.
How is it that Lync for Mac had screen sharing / remote control but this was thought to be an unnecessary feature? I myself have a Microsoft Remote Desktop App that allows me to do the very thing that you say is too difficult to implement into a Mac application. I'm not a product owner and I'm not a project manager for your company but considering how often a feature like this is used I find it extremely difficult to believe that this was put on the chopping block- especially if you truly are listening to customer feedback.
Again- tabbed chat windows, in a prior release I had this. I had it for maybe a week? Then an update came through and it was gone. I find this extremely difficult to believe as well that this is your stance on the topic. I'm shocked that it's acceptable to say, "Well, that's the way we built it so too bad".
File sharing on release 16.11.115 one-to-one has not worked for me at all. Maybe I've done something wrong but it fails each time I've attempted it or one of my peers has attempted to send something to me.
I find myself sitting here in a haze of confusion each time I read your response. Why in the world did you build a new app to replace Lync for Mac at all? The only "new" feature I can see being helpful is calling and our company doesn't utilize that feature yet so I don't see this as a win at all. It's not progress if you're taking away heavily used features and it's not finished if we're missing them.
I understand you can't take on everything at once. That would be a ludicrous expectation. But I would hope it wouldn't be released without stripping away functionality from the prior application.
-Ben Morelli
Hello, Ben:
I appreciate your response. Some decisions have been very difficult, and we don't make them lightly. The tradeoff is often multiple man-months of effort to implement a feature versus ongoing bug fixes and other features.
With respect to take-control of screen sharing (meaning sending mouse and keyboard events across the wire to a remote computer), we have never supported this in any Lync or Skype for Business product on Mac. Lync 2011 and our web apps on Mac have screen sharing, but do not allow taking control of remote sharing.
For tabbed chat windows, I don't know the history of the momentary feature you describe. Perhaps there was some investigation into supporting it that got rolled back, or perhaps it was a bug. To support tabbed windows correctly requires a significant rearchitecting of the product in order to be able to retrieve past messages to create the history.
I would like to understand your failures with peer-to-peer file sharing. This sounds like we have a bug that needs to be fixed. Are you using the insider build? If so, please submit a bug so we can investigate the logs around the failure. To do that, recreate the problem and then click Help\Report an Issue and fill out the ticket. It may be helpful if whoever you tried to send to/from could do the same, so we can see the logs on both sides of the transfer.
Thanks,
Phil.
Hey Phil,
I hope you do not mind me chiming in here as well. First of all, thank you for taking the time with a more detailed response.
1. Tabbed window - as you mention SfB for Mac was a complete rewrite. Then how come this particular item just was not thought off? Why would anyone think that this is something Mac users would not want, when at the same time Apple has been implementing more features in the OS for tabs. It is available when there is a setting on the server to allow for archiving enabled. Now I can understand that with this disabled, any IM not received in SfB can thus not be shown. But really, why can you not just show the different windows into 1 window with tabs instead? What does that then even have to do with history? This is pure UI right now. And UI which you have already implemented. Right now I IM with multiple people, each IM is in it’s own window. Put it as tabs instead and we would be a lot happier!
2- Glad to hear you’re implementing something to reduce the issue to have multiple conversations with the same person, across multiple chats? Personally. Conversation is coming from person X; I already have a window (preferably tab though) open with person X. Put the IM in there. So many other IM programs seem to be able to do this, weird that MS is having so many issues on this one. And again, with implementing this it would thus end up making it easier for point 1 as well right?
3- Control. Understand what you mean here with limitation. Yet, as the world keeps on moving more to smartphones, tablets, and what else. At some point not having it Windows centric will I think become more critical. Now I am not sure if you mean it means changes to everything SfB (Windows, servers, Mac) or just Mac. If it is Mac, then I would say here as well that this should have been taking into account when rewriting the app for the Mac in the 1st place. If everything else, I can understand this would be quite the undertaking. But maybe one best to be taken sooner rather then later? For the overall SfB platform itself then?
Thank you.
Well... I suppose with this information all of this feature fighting is moot.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/microsoft-is-going-all-in-on-teams-and-plans-to-phase-out-skype-for-business/
Let's hope Teams will have the tabbed chats and remote control features we need.
