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SKadish
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Feb 13, 2024
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Defender XDR Unified RBAC - Cannot manage incidents

I've been configuring the new Defender XDR Unified RBAC roles, and two things that I cannot find permissions for are managing incidents and alerts.  No matter what I configure, those buttons stay greyed out.  This is despite configuring a role that has all Security Operations and Security Posture read and manage permissions.  

 

Other functions are working, for instance being able to block users via the TABL, or Search & Purge permissions.  

 

Can I please get some help?

 

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  • DylanInfosec's avatar
    DylanInfosec
    Apr 20, 2024

    Hi ahmedamer ,

    have you or someone on the team perhaps turned on the Defender for Endpoint deception features?

     

    You can check the setting for Deception by going to your XDR dashboard > Settings > Endpoints > Advanced features and scroll to find the setting for  “Deception” towards the bottom of the features list.

     

    if it’s on, you can confirm that the user you’re seeing is apart of the deception identities by scrolling a bit more on the endpoints menu for the “Deception rules” tab under the Rules header. There may just be one Default rule there. Click it and you should see a list of deception identities.

     

    see more here: Configure the deception capability in Microsoft Defender XDR 

     

    Best,

    Dylan

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  • Gadi_Palatchi_MSFT's avatar
    Gadi_Palatchi_MSFT
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    Feb 14, 2024
    Thank you for contacting us with your inquiry.
    May I ask have you activated Unified RBAC with any of the workloads? If so which ones?
    Can you also share what data sources have you included in the role assignment?
    As for the Email & compliance functions you've mentioned that are working properly - note that if you haven't activated Unified RBAC for Email & compliance (both toggles) - access to these functions is managed via roles defined in Admin Center.
    • SKadish's avatar
      SKadish
      Brass Contributor
      Feb 14, 2024
      Hello Gadi,

      I have activated the following workloads:
      - Endpoints & Vulnerability Management
      - Email & Collaboration (both Defender for Office 365 & Exchange Online permissions)
      - Secure Store

      Identity is greyed out. We do not have on-premise AD.

      I enabled all data sources in the assignment (MDE, MDO, MDI, MDC, and Secure Store.)

      Thank you,
      - Steve

      • SKadish's avatar
        SKadish
        Brass Contributor
        Feb 14, 2024
        Hello Gadi,

        I just realized that I CAN manage incidents where the detection source is MDO. I CANNOT manage incidents where the detection source is Microsoft Defender for Cloud Apps. Is this not possible currently with the Unified RBAC?

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I've been configuring the new Defender XDR Unified RBAC roles, and two things that I cannot find permissions for are managing incidents and alerts.  No matter what I configure, those buttons stay greyed out.  This is despite configuring a role that has all Security Operations and Security Posture read and manage permissions.  

 

Other functions are working, for instance being able to block users via the TABL, or Search & Purge permissions.  

 

Can I please get some help?

 

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I've been configuring the new Defender XDR Unified RBAC roles, and two things that I cannot find permissions for are managing incidents and alerts.  No matter what I configure, those buttons stay greyed out.  This is despite configuring a role that has all Security Operations and Security Posture read and manage permissions.  

 

Other functions are working, for instance being able to block users via the TABL, or Search & Purge permissions.  

 

Can I please get some help?

 

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May I ask have you activated Unified RBAC with any of the workloads? If so which ones?
Can you also share what data sources have you included in the role assignment?
As for the Email & compliance functions you've mentioned that are working properly - note that if you haven't activated Unified RBAC for Email & compliance (both toggles) - access to these functions is managed via roles defined in Admin Center.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2024-02-14T01:25:10.910-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-02-14T01:25:10.910-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2129},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:microsoft-defender-xdr/category:microsoft-security/category:products-services/category:communities/community:gxcuf89792board:MicrosoftThreatProtection/message:4056469/message:4056785","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMXwyLjF8aXwzfDEzMjowfGludCw0MDU3MDUxLDQwNTcwNTE","node":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:4057051"}}]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4057051":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4057051","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4057051":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":4057051,"id":"message:4057051","revisionNum":1,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:2174647"},"readOnly":false,"repliesCount":4,"depth":2,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:MicrosoftThreatProtection"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:4056785"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4056469"},"subject":"Re: Defender XDR Unified RBAC - Cannot manage incidents","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4057051"},"body":"Hello Gadi,

I have activated the following workloads:
- Endpoints & Vulnerability Management
- Email & Collaboration (both Defender for Office 365 & Exchange Online permissions)
- Secure Store

Identity is greyed out. We do not have on-premise AD.

I enabled all data sources in the assignment (MDE, MDO, MDI, MDC, and Secure Store.)

Thank you,
- Steve

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I just realized that I CAN manage incidents where the detection source is MDO. I CANNOT manage incidents where the detection source is Microsoft Defender for Cloud Apps. 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Thank you Steve for this update.
Defender for Cloud Apps not yet supported by Unified RBAC. As you can see when creating a new role, the list of available data sources in the assignment stage does not include Defender for Cloud Apps as an option. You can continue granting access to Defender for Cloud Apps data and experiences using the individual workload RBAC (in parallel to using Unified RBAC with the rest of the workloads).

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