Forum Discussion
Groups: Tenant to tenant migration
- Feb 01, 2017
Groups use special forms of mailboxes that not all migration tools even reveal let alone access... That is my warning.
Just as an example, try using the Get-Mailbox cmdlet to list group mailboxes. They don't exist. You have to use Get-UnifiedGroup. But you can feed a group mailbox id into Get-MailboxStatistics... So it's inconsistent, hence the warning.
Last I've heard Quadrotech don't migrate posts in a scenario of PFs to 365 groups, which makes it useless in most scenarios. But I am not 100% sure so anyone reading this don't take my word for it. Microsoft also has a native tool to migrate PFs to 365 groups but their initial version didn't do posts. Now they claim that they do it, I never tested it. Again I agree with you, testing is key. Creating 2 endpoints to connect to a source and a destination is one thing (i.e connect to Public folders as a source and 365 groups as a destination), moving all of the data you want is completely different. I don't usually spend much time analyzing other tools, native or not, because it's not part of my job, but I do know that the key in this market is not from and to where one can move, but what's gets moved. The example of doing Public folders to groups without doing posts is just one.
You should test our SaaS, you'd be surprised. I am sure we have friends in common and you can always reach out to me directly if you need some test licenses.
"Last I've heard" is a pretty nice way for a BitTitan representative to slander another company's product. I have asked the Quadrotech people to respond. Steve Goodman did a review of Public Folder Shuttle and I am pretty sure that he would have found a gaping hole like the inability to move posts.
- DeletedFeb 22, 2018
Hello.
There is a tool in Admin Panel: Use this option if your environment has at least one Exchange 2010, 2013, and/or 2016 server.
An once click on it, it says:
Looks like you have not run the Office 365 Hybrid Configuration Wizard yet.
This application will configure your Tenant and Exchange environments so you can start moving your mailboxes to Exchange Online. https://technet.microsoft.com/library/hh529921(v=exchg.150).aspx.
Requirements:-running a Windows operating system-connected and joined to the same domain as the On-Premises Exchange ServerCould it be the tool I am searching?BR. - Antonio Maciel De VargasFeb 21, 2018Brass Contributor
Greg Jones when TonyRedmond was promoting your tool I made sure to say that people should not take my word for it, because I never tested or used your tool. A partner told me in a conversation about this type of migration the information that I conveyed here. He was obviously wrong or outdated, so although I clearly stated that people should test any tool and see the full capacity they have, my apologies. I am not here to promote any tools. When I come here I do it to help the community. Saying that I work for the best tool in the market is my personal opinion, always up for debate, but one that I firmly believe on.
Tony positioned your tool as being the best, otherwise he would have mentioned a different one, I disagreed, and the bottom line is that we both agree on the essential: Test and choose!
- DeletedFeb 21, 2018
Well if it's for a company I would not take the risk of moving data like that... Javier, you're planning a tenant to tenant migration and this is a real job (Making the alias is not a big deal). Of course, my advice is biased but I would recommend this tool -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7DfRJPeZ3s - It's worth your time and your project would be finished by the end of the week. And you could go back to the beach and enjoy a fruity cocktail :)
At least try the free trial it costs 0 and you can migrate up to a certain limit of data.
- DeletedFeb 21, 2018
Antonio is giving me the option with a tool but I would preffer don´t pay. teh reason is that this is not for me, this is for my Company.
Anyway, I´m searching the free form to voe or migrate my mailboxes to another domain keeping my current domain as an alias in the future and this is very extrange that there is not a free form from Microsoft to do it; in addition, my mailboxes are in the Cloud (Office 365 Exchange online), I don´t have AD (on-premises) and the endpoint is the same one that me, another Office 365 (Exchange online)
- DeletedFeb 21, 2018
How many groups do you want to move?
1/ First, have you picked a third party tool? As Tony mentioned, you will still need that to get the job done properly. Even for online to online it's a massive headache!
2/ Of course if you're a code genius you could use manual commands and scripts but you will never get the same results to a migration tool. (Not worth your time) And you will not be able to do pre-staging.
3/ Ask for some budget to your management team and test the migration tools available.
- TonyRedmondFeb 21, 2018MVP
MRS will handle tenant to tenant transfers... that's the idea.
Even you are only online, you still need third party tools.
- DeletedFeb 21, 2018
Hello Tony.
My case is very much easy: i don´t have on-promises, I only have Online and I want to move to another Online.
Thanks
- TonyRedmondFeb 21, 2018MVP
That support article is old at this point and involves a manual movement of mailboxes from one tenant to another. Microsoft already said at Ignite 2017 that they will allow you to move mailboxes between tenants using the Mailbox Replication Service (MRS), and even that is much better than the method described in the article.
But Office 365 Groups are a different matter. You need third party code to deal with the mailboxes (because MRS does not move group mailboxes) and the other resources associated with the group (like SharePoint, Teams, and Planner). It's not a black and white situation.
- DeletedFeb 21, 2018
No, I don´t.
I saw this link https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-to-migrate-mailboxes-from-one-office-365-tenant-to-another-65af7d77-3e79-44d4-9173-04fd991358b7
But I don´t know if really this is correct process. In addition, I was tying to do from Office 365 Admin Panel: migration from Exchange online but I´m going crazy
- TonyRedmondFeb 21, 2018MVP
No, it was an answer to the assertion:
"Last I've heard Quadrotech don't migrate posts in a scenario of PFs to 365 groups, which makes it useless in most scenarios."
It just corrected the record.
- DeletedFeb 21, 2018
Javier, did you managed to find a solution for your migration?
- DeletedFeb 21, 2018
Excuse me?.
Is this reply for my question about migration?
- Greg JonesFeb 21, 2018Copper Contributor
I am the Product Owner for Public Folder Shuttle and I can verify that it will migrate a public folder post into an O365 Group. In fact, it can create the group for you, migrate the content, and add permissions.
I'm not sure where Antonio got his information but it is incorrect. - Antonio Maciel De VargasFeb 15, 2018Brass Contributor
My assumption was based in this conversation only. I haven't read your blog post, yet. There's a lot of deficiencies when it comes to Public folder migrations and native tools. They come from the underlying technology. The lack of flexibility is also a problem specially in the public folder space.
And on that we 100% agree. Test and evaluate and measure impact of the tool you want to use. Furthermore don't look at one tool for all workloads as potentially being THE TOOL. A good example is SharePoint and tools that are dedicated to that space but just don't do other workloads. And then there's pricing vs benefit. We don't disagree on the core message of this post, not in my view. - TonyRedmondFeb 15, 2018MVP
I wrote about the Microsoft approach - see https://www.petri.com/migrate-public-folders-office-365-groups. This MVP has not ignored the native tool, but I have pointed out the deficiencies that exist when you need to migrate more than a few public folders. Perhaps you didn't look to see what I might have said?
My position is that there is no perfect tool. There are a set of migration tools available to move public folder content and it's up to tenants to decide what is best for them. Each tool has its own unique capabilities that make it attractive and more appropriate to specific conditions, which is why people should get trial copies and test.
- Antonio Maciel De VargasFeb 15, 2018Brass Contributor
Which part of the "if someone is reading this don't take my word for it" don't you understand? I just told you the initial version of the native tool, that you conveniently didn't mentioned when referring tools that do Public folders to Office 365 groups (great way for an MVP to ignore a native tool), didn't do posts, and now they do. Office 365 groups can get posts ingested, shared mailboxes cannot. Public folders have much more than posts and it's all about the way you design it. You have your opinion. Apparently to you the best tool to migrate Public folders to Office 365 groups is the Quadrotech tool, which I respect. I know they do it, I know the native tools do it (your welcome) and I know Bittitan does it. I am not here to slander anyone's product. Not my MO. Never did it and won't do it. Saying you're the best at something is not the same as saying the others are not good. And believe me there's a lot of migration tools out there that are just not good enough, but you'll never hear me name one. And before you speculate I am not referring to Quadrotech.