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SandroRudin
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May 10, 2022
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Multifactor Authentication MFA and Virtual Machines VM

We are a small development company using Office365. For a new project we now want to use some Windows VMs in the cloud. Because Azure integrates nicely with Office365 it seems to make sense to create...
  • SandroRudin's avatar
    SandroRudin
    May 17, 2022
    Ok, so I think I found the problem.
    As described above I have disabled MFA for my account in order to be able to login to the VMs using the AzureAD credentials. I was then able to login as desired but got redirected to the MFA setup wizard every time I logged in to some MS website. I then skipped the setup as I expected this would deny login to the VMs again.
    I now realized that this MFA setup was for another organization where I was added as an external user. This organization still has company-wide MFA required and therefore I was bothered with the setup at every login. I now completed the MFA setup process and it really only requires it for that company and not for my own company so login to the VMs is still possible. I have to admit that I find this behavior quite confusing as it is nowhere shown for what organization you are setting up MFA.
    Therefore my main problem is solved now. I would prefer to enable MFA and disable it only for RDP or even better enable it everywhere but unfortunately this seems to be too complicated. If a simple solution pops up please let me know.
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SandroRudin
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May 16, 2022
So I open your link or go to Azure Portal, "View account", "Update security information" and I get stuck in an endless loop.
To be more precise: I open the Azure Portal (redirect to MFA setup, skip), then "View account" (redirect to MFA setup, skip), then "Update security information" and then redirect to MFA setup, skip, redirect to MFA setup, skip, ...
I have no idea what MS is thinking...
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SandroRudin
Copper Contributor
May 17, 2022
Ok, so I think I found the problem.
As described above I have disabled MFA for my account in order to be able to login to the VMs using the AzureAD credentials. I was then able to login as desired but got redirected to the MFA setup wizard every time I logged in to some MS website. I then skipped the setup as I expected this would deny login to the VMs again.
I now realized that this MFA setup was for another organization where I was added as an external user. This organization still has company-wide MFA required and therefore I was bothered with the setup at every login. I now completed the MFA setup process and it really only requires it for that company and not for my own company so login to the VMs is still possible. I have to admit that I find this behavior quite confusing as it is nowhere shown for what organization you are setting up MFA.
Therefore my main problem is solved now. I would prefer to enable MFA and disable it only for RDP or even better enable it everywhere but unfortunately this seems to be too complicated. If a simple solution pops up please let me know.
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    SergNovak
    Copper Contributor
    Sep 17, 2022

    SandroRudin Iit looks like the premium version of AAD is enough only for administrators

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We are a small development company using Office365. For a new project we now want to use some Windows VMs in the cloud. Because Azure integrates nicely with Office365 it seems to make sense to create these VMs on Azure. The plan is that the existing Office365 logins stored in Azure AD can also be used to grant access to the VMs Windows OS (as managing separate credentials for each VM is a PITA).

 

We created the VMs and assigned access rights - there are specific roles for this (login as user, login as administrator) which is exactly what we need. We tried to login and - bummer. Login doesn't work.

 

After some searching we found out that the reason seems to be that we have MFA turned on and this is not supported by the Windows OS. So we figured we need to change access configuration e.g. by using Bastion instead of plain RDP for remote access but - bummer. Bastion also doesn't support MFA.

 

After looking around for a while we came to the conclusion that currently there seems to be no way to get this done (at least with an acceptable amount of work/money for a small company like us). The official MS suggestion is to turn off MFA for RDP by using Azure AD conditional access. This is acceptable because we are securing remote access by source IP so MFA for RDP is overkill anyway. So we opened up the Azure AD configuration page and - bummer. Azure AD conditional access is only available when using Azure AD Premium which increases costs by about 5-10$ per user per month. That's inacceptable only to turn off functionality!

 

Therefore we decided to disable enforcing company-wide MFA so those users who need RDP to the VMs could remove their MFA and successfully login. This indeed works but - bummer. Everytime a MS website is opened (e.g. the Azure Portal) there is a message saying the user needs to configure MFA. After a click on the \"Next\" button the setup screen opens where the user can select \"Skip setup\" and login without MFA. How stupid is that - but so far we found no way to get rid of this.

 

Sure, we could manage separate credentials for each VM - but that's what we want to prevent and something that we could also do with all other cloud providers so why use Azure?

 

We are currently unsure if we should just delete all Azure resources and move our VMs to another cloud provider. So we'd like to ask if there is something that we missed:

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As described above I have disabled MFA for my account in order to be able to login to the VMs using the AzureAD credentials. I was then able to login as desired but got redirected to the MFA setup wizard every time I logged in to some MS website. I then skipped the setup as I expected this would deny login to the VMs again.
I now realized that this MFA setup was for another organization where I was added as an external user. This organization still has company-wide MFA required and therefore I was bothered with the setup at every login. I now completed the MFA setup process and it really only requires it for that company and not for my own company so login to the VMs is still possible. I have to admit that I find this behavior quite confusing as it is nowhere shown for what organization you are setting up MFA.
Therefore my main problem is solved now. I would prefer to enable MFA and disable it only for RDP or even better enable it everywhere but unfortunately this seems to be too complicated. If a simple solution pops up please let me know.","body@stringLength":"1107","rawBody":"Ok, so I think I found the problem.
As described above I have disabled MFA for my account in order to be able to login to the VMs using the AzureAD credentials. I was then able to login as desired but got redirected to the MFA setup wizard every time I logged in to some MS website. I then skipped the setup as I expected this would deny login to the VMs again.
I now realized that this MFA setup was for another organization where I was added as an external user. This organization still has company-wide MFA required and therefore I was bothered with the setup at every login. I now completed the MFA setup process and it really only requires it for that company and not for my own company so login to the VMs is still possible. I have to admit that I find this behavior quite confusing as it is nowhere shown for what organization you are setting up MFA.
Therefore my main problem is solved now. I would prefer to enable MFA and disable it only for RDP or even better enable it everywhere but unfortunately this seems to be too complicated. 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