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Re: Vertical tabs mode new tab button should be fixed position at the top of the tab strip
I did some web searches because I was curious if others asked for this and wow, yes, a LOT of users want this! There are many more tweets and reddit threads where users ask for this but I can't link all of them here, it would take days hahaha. You get the idea, this is a very highly requested feature/complaint https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/in-vertical-tabs-add-an-option-to-open-new-tabs-at-the-top-of/idi-p/88898 https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/open-new-tabs-in-inverse-order/idi-p/90669 https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1joe2uw/vertical_tabs_are_designed_to_have_the_wrong_order/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1jsvqhk/how_do_i_make_the_vertical_tab_list_upside_down/ https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/1jcysdz/move_new_tab_button_in_vertical_tabs_to_the_top/ https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/1jr2kce/is_it_possible_to_have_the_new_tab_button_at_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/edge/comments/m0mz4e/invert_order_in_vertical_tabs/ https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/discussions/edgeinsiderdiscussions/pinned-vertical-tabs-button-at-top-and-reverse-tabs/2077410 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftedge/forum/all/new-tab-button/5a65d2d3-03e1-4912-af0e-2ac592ad2b34 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/31424 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/30884Re: Vertical tabs mode new tab button should be fixed position at the top of the tab strip
A few more things I forgot to mention: when enough tabs are opened, the new tab button becomes fixed position anyways! It's just that it's fixed at the bottom of the screen (which I suspect is very common for vertical tabs users because vertical tabs is meant for people that have lots of tabs open) another part of what I'm requesting/suggesting is: when the user clicks this new tab button that's fixed at the top of the tab strip, the new tab would open directly below it, pushing down/scrolling down the other tabs. of course this would be optional because unfortunately, Edge users have gotten used to the current arrangement of the trailing new tab button, and it's not worth getting a bunch of angry user complaints by changing that on existing vertical tabs users. But I think it's worth considering that, for users that have enabled vertical tabs for the first time, it makes sense to give them this "new-tab-button-fixed-at-the-top" layout instead of the current one. And I'm very confident those users are more likely to stick with vertical tabs because having the new tab button fixed at the top is just that much better.Vertical tabs mode new tab button should be fixed position at the top of the tab strip
I feel I should start by saying thank you to the Edge UI/UX team. Yous really have made the best browser UI on the market and I really appreciate it. TL;DR version: when in vertical tabs mode, the new tab button should be at the top of the tab strip in a fixed position. I even made a quick mock of what this would look like Vertical tabs mode is best for users that have many tabs open, but for users that have many tabs open, that means the new tab button is almost always located at the bottom of the screen. That is a problem - especially for people trying vertical tabs mode for the first time - because the "cost" or "friction" of clicking the new tab button is much higher compared to what that person is used to. The user has to move the cursor too far and it takes too long to reach the new tab button all the way in the bottom left corner of the screen. It is a very large regression in UX efficiency and I'm very confident this is a big reason why so many users don't stick with vertical tabs. Below is a screenshot where I superimpose vertical tabs mode on top of normal horizontal tabs mode and drew a green arrow line so you can see where the user is used to the new tabs button being compared to the vertical tabs mode position. That is is a massive change and increase in cursor distance. Also, on desktop browsers, the buttons and UI are at the top of the screen. This isn't just muscle memory but also where the users eyes are accustomed to. But in Edge's vertical tabs mode, the new tab button is usually closer to the bottom of the screen, making it an odd outlier of a decades long unofficial "law". Safari has had a fixed position new tab button for many years, so we know this is a good and "safe" thing to do, there's no worries or risks with a fixed position new tab button. And Edge's vertical tabs already do the reverse gravity behaviour that would be needed for this, so this wouldn't be a lot of work!Bug/issue: sleeping tabs dimming effect does not apply to emojis in tab titles
When a tab is 'sleeping' or freeze dried (or whatever it's referred to as), the favicon and table title dim to indicate this to the user. But that dimming effect doesn't apply to emojis if there's an emoji in the tab title! I attached a screenshot (I also zoomed in and put a red rectangle around the 2 tabs where you can see it's an issue). I know the Edge team cares about attention to detail for things like this so I thought it was worth postingRe: Top Feedback Summary for November 2022
Please add this one to the list! It's just an option to hide/remove the "Other favorites" folder on the favorites bar. Firefox has this option already 😞 I made a thread about it https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/request-complaint-let-us-remove-quot-other-favorites-quot-folder/m-p/3611203Re: Vertical tabs should be consistent with Fitts' law
Over 2 years and this still hasn't been fixed 😞 You cannot deny that having tabs adhere to Fitts' law is important, because Edge's tabs in horizontal mode do. And if you decided to break this with horizontal tabs, you would be swamped with complaints from users. Fitts' law is important for tabs! So why would vertical tabs not adhere to Fitts' law? There is no valid reason, if there was I wouldn't keep coming back to this. This is such basic common sense stuff folks...Request/complaint: let us remove "Other favorites" folder from the favorites bar
Please give us the option to hide/remove the "Other favorites" folder from the favorites bar! It takes up valuable space that could be used for more favorites in the favorites bar, and also, it's just weird and bad to make that folders presence mandatory in the favorites bar. Do a quick web search and there are many, many people asking how to hide/remove the "Other favorites" folder from the favorites bar. Firefox does give users the option to hide/remove it but Chrome doesn't. I know it might seem silly but this is definitely one of those little 'paper cuts' that people notice. Some annoyed Chrome users could switch to Edge over this (assuming the Edge team does give us the option to hide/remove it)"Restore window" should be renamed to "Reopen closed window"
Small issue but worth fixing: "Restore window" should be renamed to "Reopen closed window". For tabs, it's named "Reopen closed tab", and they both have the same keyboard shortcut, so it doesn't make sense that it switches to "Restore window" when a window was closed. Also, the word "Restore" is confusing and unclear because the function and tooltip for a maximized window is called "Restore Down". "Restore" is not the correct word for both...request: allow us to disable impulse-style scrolling
I love Edge but if you have a normal, typical mouse (meaning not a Logitech MX Master or Microsoft Arc Mouse) the impulse-style scrolling is just horrible! It's so jerky and stuttery. I don't like Chrome's UI (no vertical tabs) and I don't want to contribute to their monopoly, but the mouse wheel scrolling in Chrome is so smooth and easy on the eyes. Please let us disable Edge's impulse-style scrolling and use the standard Chrome-style mouse wheel scrolling!Re: Request: please increase percent for percent based scrolling!
I just reached out to a friend who is an actual professional software developer (I clearly am not, as you can probably tell haha) and he explained to me that one of the factors at play here is that Windows' "The following number of lines at a time" setting isn't as granular as it seems. It's in increments of 1 and each "line" is quite a lot by todays standards where we are use to pixel precise scrolling on smartphones and tablets. So for example, you can't choose 1.5, which would be nearly perfect for me and my mouse, and in that case the Edge team probably wouldn't have to increase the percent for mouse wheels scrolling, I could just set it to 1.5. But I highly doubt the Windows team would allow us to have finer grain control of the "The following number of lines at a time" setting. So that probably brings us back to the Edge team increasing the percent for mousewheel scrolling...Re: Request: please increase percent for percent based scrolling!
I can repro in stable channel Edge too. Don't get me wrong, I agree that percent-based scrolling is the right way to go (Chrome's fixed scroll value is not ideal for shorter scrollers), it's just that it seems the percent chosen for notched mouse wheels is too low. So at the moment, for shorter scrollers at least, Chrome's is clearly too much and Edge's is clearly too little. If Edge just increased the percentage, it would be perfect!Re: Request: please increase percent for percent based scrolling!
To be more direct, the real issue/concern here is, when it comes to short scrollers, the mouse wheel "UX efficiency" of Edge is a lot worse than Chrome's. This will result in people thinking Edge has "slow" scrolling compared to Chrome and might even drive some people to use Chrome! Please consider increasing the percent for notched mouse wheel percent-based scrollingRequest: please increase percent for percent based scrolling!
I've been using percent-based scrolling for quite a while now and although I'm not sure what the exact percent is for Edge's percent-based scrolling, whatever it's currently set to, please increase it! (at least when it comes to the notched mouse wheel scrolling. I'm talking about notched mouse wheels here). This is especially an issue when it comes to shorter scrollers, for example, the side pane in Gmail (screenshot attached below) And before you ask, I already have tried adjusting Windows mouse wheel setting for "The following number of lines at a time", but this is not the solution. For me, when I put "The following number of lines at a time" up to 2, I find scrolling on the typical website too sensitive, so I keep it at 1. But at 1, scrolling in smaller scrollers is way too inefficient (in terms of "UX efficiency", I'm having to do too much scrolling and it feels way too slow) So I'm fairly certain the issue is whatever percent the Edge team settled on for percent-based scrolling is a bit too low! I hope this doesn't come across as disrespectful, we are always trying to fine tune, please consider increasing the percent! I always find myself disabling the "Microsoft Edge scrolling personality" flag (I believe this is how you disable percent based scrolling in Edge, correct?)Re: Vertical tabs should be consistent with Fitts' law
apparently someone did look at it but they're not telling us what's their thoughts are (WontFix? Or do they think it's a P5 for some reason?). If anyone is doubting how important Fitts' law is to the user experience: in 2020 a change in Chrome accidentally moved the new tab button down a single pixel, which broke Fitts' law when the window was maximized, and they immediately received a bunch of complaints. They fixed it in about 1 month of it being filed... and that's just the new tab button! So ya, they really should fix this (here is that Chrome bug https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1136557 )
