Windows client roadmap update: April 2023

But... think of the securities. We must save the securities from our stupid users. We must bitlocker them out of their own data (forced in HOME 24h2). We must grab screenshots that can be easily exploited (that aged really well). Not to mention the drive bloat from all these screen shots. Really the team that sold this idea to management should be fired, what exactly were they thinking? "Hey, let's build a data collection virus and call it a feature. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea, put it forward!"

You need to make things opt in, not jump through a dozen hoops to opt out. If you aren't careful, there will be laws created around this stuff because the general public is starting to get to that point. Look at what Adobe is going through and look at the turmoil you created with copilot and grabbing screen (and maybe keystroke) data.

Yes I know, if you make it opt in, no one will do it and you'll lose whatever money is associated with the project and the data being sold. But I'll tell you the truth, I'm at the point where I'm going to start talking to my elected representatives about some of these concerns, and pushing forward for a "users rights to privacy" bill. I doubt it will go anywhere, the American public at large is too lazy to care, but you know Europe will not stand for this stuff. And to be clear, I know some Linux distros harvest data too and use an opt out method (yes even the mighty Debian is opt out during the install process, uncheck the box with no hoops to jump through).

Back on track... Why did it take so long for Windows 11 LTSC to be created? Why not release it in the first year knowing that many facilities have need for this release? Yes I know, you want to make sure it is feature rich, but half of those features are stripped out of LTSC, which is the whole point. I'm lucky enough to be allowed to roll out Education, but LTSC would have been my first choice. I have a bunch of GPO that I need to dig through to try and remove a pile of "stuff" that just doesn't apply to my use case with our students. They are here for learning, not playing included games. Not getting distracted by the weather widget, or news widget, or etc. Phone link? What security policy is it's right mind will allow users to link their phone to a common use computer in a classroom??? And yes I know, student accounts are free, but we pay a large amount for our E level contract, try throwing us a bone and bring out LTSC earlier next time. Also open up IOT for those with a plan big enough or special enough to warrant the use of IOT. Every police computer, ambulance, hospital, primary care facility, etc. should be running a nice secure version of IOT. Out of the three or four "appliances" that I bought in the last three years, only one of those paid the extra money for IOT and the others should have had the option. There are all long term devices that do specific tasks and use few of the "features" that Pro offers.

honestly I really want to rant, I honestly hope your plans backfire because it is utterly stupid and very insensitive. This company acts like people have resources and are able to do stuff easily. It is honestly delusional and very disgusting, the fact that you are so tone deaf to the fact that most computers and users have windows ten running, and does not have the requirements to update. Manly because of your idiotic "requirements" is quite funny to me, its like you want people to hate your **bleep** community. I hope a new operating system steals all your loyal customer. It services you right since you are such an incompetent organization, that recks of lack of accountability. I know a lot of people that are not brave to say how they really feel but I will. I mean a company like this should have some common sense, but you have none, I hope some boycott and protest, you cannot expect to be horrible to your own customers and not expect that. I was honestly not expecting to rant but am sick and tired of companies doing such idiotic stuff and thinking they are right, have a bad day to the people who started the end of support and I say that with a passion.

I've been working with Win11 Education (23h2 and KMS activated), yes I am at a school and these are to be used by students... It's not bad in some areas, but others are still "problematic"! Lots of "tools" that I have no use for, just get in the way. I also have a win11Pro laptop at home that I'm using here and there.

Why did you break so many things in the right click context?

Why do we have some much "stuff" that needs to be uninstalled, and this stuff pops right back up after a sysprep? If I wanted it gone before sysprep, I still want it gone after. I have 15 things I need to try and defeat with GPO, stuff that just doesn't apply to any educationally used PC! Xbox? Phone Link? Feedback? Really even the O365, Onedrive, and Outlook should not be present, almost all educational institutions are going to install their licensed Office 20xx LTSC or O365 or G-Suite.

Also not happy that I am now forced to use third party tools to deploy Win11! You really couldn't have fixed WDS to boot, capture, and deploy a win11 image for us? Really? I'm going to have to write a short book detailing the procedure to use this third party tool, just in case someone else needs to take over. Before it was easy, I just said boot from WDS and go, everyone knew what that was and how to deal with it.

Back to trying to figure out why Creative Cloud Premiere Pro worked under Windows 10 and now glitches to black screen during playback under Windows 11. Probably a driver, but might be a couple other things (Intel 10th generation processor with built in Intel GPU and running HD media). Both were activated, and time between both tests was only a few days to build up the new image for win11.

Grrrr...

I switched from Windows 11 to Windows 10 last week. The reason is:
1. Windows 11 is too slow;
2. The system is filled with undeveloped content, such as the ability to open three file managers with different styles;
3. The Start menu, taskbar and right-click menu are difficult to use. A lot of convenient features have been cut off.
Although Windows 10 doesn't look very pretty and doesn't have mica effects, it's really fast and easy to use. I think Windows 7 is the most beautiful operating system Microsoft has developed, and the operating systems developed after it are completely half-finished. I can't understand why Windows 11 should develop a completely different UI instead of optimizing based on Windows 10. I also can't understand why Microsoft continues to provide half-finished products to users.

This thread is too funny.  Feeling much love, Microsoft?

Every single gripe from long time users - not a single response.  Thanks for the big FU.

I haven't used win11 enough to know if it is broken, but even for Enterprise and Pro customers, they sure do ask a lot in return. The last thing I want my users to se is a bunch of ads for stuff while I'm paying them to be productive. We pay big money for our E level account with all your cloud based services and Office 365 attached as well, you are killing us. I'm probably going to have to go through and block all Microsoft telemetry at my firewall, or at least as much as I can block, it's overbearing!

I'm also 2 years into requesting new computers that have an Intel 6th gen processor, they can not run win11 and I'm running short on time. October 2025 approaches quickly when budgets move at glacial speed. You are forcing people to pick between getting new hardware, or just running out of compliance. Bring in a mode that allows the user to decide if they need bitlocker and TPM2, not everyone needs these, especially not on shared computers in classrooms.

I'd also request that many of the old tools be refreshed to work again. Why kill WDS, and MDT? DISM still seems to be a core function, so why not give some of the little shops the tools to continue working without going to a third party. Your Config Manager and Intune seems to be tied to a domain, so if you run an isolated system, you are pretty much out of luck. And Intune seems to be a per computer fee, which again will kill many of us or push to things like JAMF to handle our computers and their config.

The only choice many of us have is moving to Apple hardware/OS, many of the things I need to run for classes will not function on Linux. Get into some of the other uses cases like emergency services and they are really in trouble, a lot of that stuff is Windows only, and most of that should be running Windows IOT which is still hard to get unless you are buying new equipment, your Enterprise licensing doesn't automatically give you rights to IOT.

All that said, asking for fixes in win11 are not likely, they will be fixed in 12 (do you remember when they said these would just be rolling releases of 10 and never change the numbers again?) Just like Vista and win8, everyone hated those and went XP to win7 to win10, and now it looks like we have half a dud with win11 so hoping that things are better once 12 hits.

Oh well, off to find more eval versions of 11 so I can try them and see what features are where and how much work I need to do to cut stuff out, waiting for LTSC. And get my third party imaging up to speed so I'm ready for the eventual time when I get new supported hardware.

**bleep**, everyone's pissed at Microsoft and windows 11. And, I can kinda agree. The windows 11 move almost seems like it's being forced, I mean it's true that we need to upgrade our operating systems, but Microsoft isn't doing what they're meant to do. They should give us more time (The windows 10 users) as there is a bottleneck if they can upgrade or not. Microsoft, if you care so much, limit the device and hardware requirements so people can actually use it. Windows 11 is also pretty broken, as it's just 2 years old. It's very buggy and run into problems sometimes. 48% of pc's and laptop's have Windows 10 running, whilst 19% are mobiles, tablets and consoles. It's very difficult to force users.

I saw a video on Youtube of someone installing win11 LTSC, is there a development version out on the testing channels?

I really need to make the move this summer, summer of 2025 is going to be crazy for me with construction and I won't have time to update all my computers. I may need to try and clean out regular 11 Enterprise for a year and ditch most of the junk that's added.

trycode0101 It will be released approximately around October 2024, it will have the same release date as Windows 11 version 24H2.

When will it be officially released? windows 11 ltsc