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martinkameniar
Brass Contributor
Sep 22, 2016

Sharepoint Online - users access without licenses

Hi I have question about internal users access to Sharepoint Online Site Collections without license.   What i know: - users can access to the sites without license (e.g. where are Everyone permi...
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Dean_Gross's avatar
Dean_Gross
Silver Contributor
Sep 22, 2016
Internal users without licenses will be able to see content to which they have permissions, but will not be able to make any changes.
External users will be able to do whatever they have been giver permission to do.
You don't need to assign licenses to external users, see https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Manage-external-sharing-for-your-SharePoint-Online-environment-C8A462EB-0723-4B0B-8D0A-70FEAFE4BE85

You mention extending your Intranet to O365. Does that mean you currently have SP on-premises or do you have some other intranet software. If it is SP, you can do a Hybrid configuration.
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Deleted
Oct 05, 2016

Actually Dean_Gross, that's not entirely true.  For internal users, you can ask Microsoft (via a support ticket) to either enforce or not enforce the license requirement for SharePoint Online.

 

When migrating from on premise to online, it can often be easier to not enforce the license, which is why Microsoft has made this an option. 

 

Microsoft has also recently changed a related issue: if you have licensing enforced, those user accounts will no longer appear in the People Picker.

 

All of that said, it's important to remember that this is a technical way to enforce the licenses -- no matter what you choose, you are still required to purchase licenses for your internal users.

 

 

  • Rhys Thomas's avatar
    Rhys Thomas
    Copper Contributor
    Dec 12, 2016

    I read the post (after submitting my question on another thread) and thought I might try posting my question here in the hop eof a better response :)

     

    I have a query around the licensing for internal users within a specific scenario where SharePoint is not been used directly but only there as a data source for another custom made web solution.

     

    Let me explain, say we have

     

    1) Installation of SharePoint or purchase of SharePoint online at http://mySharePoint.

    2) A custom web application http://babyIntranet running on asp.net and using a low privilege service account to pull information from SharePoint like lists or document libraries.

     

    Any internal users accessing http://mySharePoint will need a license (online) or CAL (on-prem),understood. I will merge the terminology of CAL and license for the rest of the question.

     

    But what about internal users only accessing http://babyIntranet, they are not technically using SharePoint just the web application (which incidentally is querying SharePoint with a service account). Do these internal users need a SharePoint CAL?

     

    In addition what if a background service was copying data from SharePoint to a separate database and http://babyIntranet was using that database as a data source. Surely then internal users would not need a SharePoint CAL for using http://babyIntranet ?

    • Lou Mickley's avatar
      Lou Mickley
      Iron Contributor
      May 15, 2017

      You would want to review this scenario with your Microsoft licensing rep.  There is nothing worse than a true-up that requires additional licenses because you didn't understand the license model.

  • Laurie Beamish's avatar
    Laurie Beamish
    Copper Contributor
    Nov 15, 2016

    Is this a permanent soltuion/feature?  Allowing internal users access to SharePoint Online prior to getting their license for SharePoint/OneDrive allows us the chance to focus on OneDrive and O365 portal adoption while continuing the migration of SharePoint sites from On-premise to SharePoint Online at a different pace.  Or will Microsoft at a later date say, sorry, this option is no longer available.  Note: we do have the required SharePoint licenses.

    • Deleted's avatar
      Deleted
      Nov 15, 2016

      Laurie Beamish - this was described to me as a mistake someone made a few years and now it's impossible to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

       

      However, you're right - Microsoft could simply flip a switch without notifying anyone (the switch to not enforce it was implemented with no notification).

  • Dean_Gross's avatar
    Dean_Gross
    Silver Contributor
    Oct 05, 2016

    Deleted, thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten about that option.

  • Philip Worrell's avatar
    Philip Worrell
    Steel Contributor
    Oct 05, 2016

    Exactly, we did not realise our users were not licensed until we came to testing OneDrive and without a license you cannot use that service at all.

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Hi

I have question about internal users access to Sharepoint Online Site Collections without license.

 

What i know:

- users can access to the sites without license (e.g. where are Everyone permisssions)

 

Questions:

- i'm finding oficial answer of Microsoft how it's working and how it will be in the future

- how can i setup and prepare our customers with this option for the future (for businesses cases, company license model etc. )

 

Actual situation:

- my opinion is: actual situation is good for us, internal users (without licenses) can access to documents and colaborate with collegues which have licenses

- we can extend our intranet to O365, create separated zone (sites) for shareing documents without affecting internal documents.

- after shareing sites to external user (to microsoft account) From this contact is created regular cloud account

user_outlook.com#EXT#@yourtenant.onmicrosoft.com. To this user you can assing license etc.

 

 

 

 

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Hi

I have question about internal users access to Sharepoint Online Site Collections without license.

 

What i know:

- users can access to the sites without license (e.g. where are Everyone permisssions)

 

Questions:

- i'm finding oficial answer of Microsoft how it's working and how it will be in the future

- how can i setup and prepare our customers with this option for the future (for businesses cases, company license model etc. )

 

Actual situation:

- my opinion is: actual situation is good for us, internal users (without licenses) can access to documents and colaborate with collegues which have licenses

- we can extend our intranet to O365, create separated zone (sites) for shareing documents without affecting internal documents.

- after shareing sites to external user (to microsoft account) From this contact is created regular cloud account

user_outlook.com#EXT#@yourtenant.onmicrosoft.com. To this user you can assing license etc.

 

 

 

 

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Actually Dean_Gross, that's not entirely true.  For internal users, you can ask Microsoft (via a support ticket) to either enforce or not enforce the license requirement for SharePoint Online.

 

When migrating from on premise to online, it can often be easier to not enforce the license, which is why Microsoft has made this an option. 

 

Microsoft has also recently changed a related issue: if you have licensing enforced, those user accounts will no longer appear in the People Picker.

 

All of that said, it's important to remember that this is a technical way to enforce the licenses -- no matter what you choose, you are still required to purchase licenses for your internal users.

 

 

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Actually , that's not entirely true.  For internal users, you can ask Microsoft (via a support ticket) to either enforce or not enforce the license requirement for SharePoint Online.

 

When migrating from on premise to online, it can often be easier to not enforce the license, which is why Microsoft has made this an option. 

 

Microsoft has also recently changed a related issue: if you have licensing enforced, those user accounts will no longer appear in the People Picker.

 

All of that said, it's important to remember that this is a technical way to enforce the licenses -- no matter what you choose, you are still required to purchase licenses for your internal users.

 

 

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I read the post (after submitting my question on another thread) and thought I might try posting my question here in the hop eof a better response :)

 

I have a query around the licensing for internal users within a specific scenario where SharePoint is not been used directly but only there as a data source for another custom made web solution.

 

Let me explain, say we have

 

1) Installation of SharePoint or purchase of SharePoint online at http://mySharePoint.

2) A custom web application http://babyIntranet running on asp.net and using a low privilege service account to pull information from SharePoint like lists or document libraries.

 

Any internal users accessing http://mySharePoint will need a license (online) or CAL (on-prem),understood. I will merge the terminology of CAL and license for the rest of the question.

 

But what about internal users only accessing http://babyIntranet, they are not technically using SharePoint just the web application (which incidentally is querying SharePoint with a service account). Do these internal users need a SharePoint CAL?

 

In addition what if a background service was copying data from SharePoint to a separate database and http://babyIntranet was using that database as a data source. Surely then internal users would not need a SharePoint CAL for using http://babyIntranet ?

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You would want to review this scenario with your Microsoft licensing rep.  There is nothing worse than a true-up that requires additional licenses because you didn't understand the license model.

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Is this a permanent soltuion/feature?  Allowing internal users access to SharePoint Online prior to getting their license for SharePoint/OneDrive allows us the chance to focus on OneDrive and O365 portal adoption while continuing the migration of SharePoint sites from On-premise to SharePoint Online at a different pace.  Or will Microsoft at a later date say, sorry, this option is no longer available.  Note: we do have the required SharePoint licenses.

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Laurie Beamish - this was described to me as a mistake someone made a few years and now it's impossible to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

 

However, you're right - Microsoft could simply flip a switch without notifying anyone (the switch to not enforce it was implemented with no notification).

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Deleted, thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten about that option.

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Exactly, we did not realise our users were not licensed until we came to testing OneDrive and without a license you cannot use that service at all.

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